-
Hail Guest! We're looking for Community Content Contribuitors to Stratics. If you would like to write articles, fan fiction, do guild or shard event recaps, it's simple. Find out how in this thread: Community Contributions
-
Greetings Guest, Having Login Issues? Check this thread!
-
Hail Guest!, Please take a moment to read this post reminding you all of the importance of Account Security.
-
Hail Guest! Please read the new announcement concerning the upcoming addition to Stratics. You can find the announcement Here!
How much chivalry skill do you have?
My recollection is that EOO adds 50% (at 84 chiv) of your suit DI, but it may be giving you the full max bonus because of the double slayers.
51.0
+47% according to Pinco's.
I think you are correct sir... the question is, is it supposed to be this way or is it a bug?
I don't know for sure, but I doubt it is a bug. The combat damage system has been in place for years without any major change. I have not seen him on the boards lately, but Logrus has the best insight as an ex-dev. Youay want to read the stickied 120 Chiv thread here in the warrior forum. Logrus gave great insight into the damage calculations including how EOO and CW work.
Ive done alot with damage increase and think i understand it pretty well. i doubt i do tho.
This Does make sense according to UO guide: " In other words, the lesser slayer weapons alone achieve the maximum damage modifier effect. To put it into perspective, your total damage modifiers can be up to 3x the final base damage." ---uo guide.
2 super slayers would be 400percent? i am assuming. while cap is 300percent.
However, what i Dont understand is why Enemy of One gives you additional damage when using a lesser slayer. According to UO guide Enemy of One is part of the Second modifier, not the first.
The way uo guide is writen, i would think enemy of one should not give additional damage when using a lesser slayer, but it in fact does.
This Does make sense according to UO guide: " In other words, the lesser slayer weapons alone achieve the maximum damage modifier effect. To put it into perspective, your total damage modifiers can be up to 3x the final base damage." ---uo guide.
2 super slayers would be 400percent? i am assuming. while cap is 300percent.
However, what i Dont understand is why Enemy of One gives you additional damage when using a lesser slayer. According to UO guide Enemy of One is part of the Second modifier, not the first.
The way uo guide is writen, i would think enemy of one should not give additional damage when using a lesser slayer, but it in fact does.
No I'm not using AI and sigh...
I wish someone could answer my question instead of multiple people coming up with possibilities. Yes I know that a lot if not most people don't understand what 300% is but I CLEARLY state what is happening.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
How does 100 + 100 = 300?
If you're assuming I have 100 on my suit, in this situation - I don't.
Damage Increase on your suit has no relation to 300% Damage Cap. It affects Characters Base Damage that is displayed in the stats window.
Read part 1 in this guide:
http://stratics.com/community/threads/corwinxxs-warriors-guide-for-new-and-returning-players.303962/
Read part 1 in this guide:
http://stratics.com/community/threads/corwinxxs-warriors-guide-for-new-and-returning-players.303962/
I think the base DI does indeed matter. But in this case his 49 DI ( effectively 50) is overcome by the EOO giving him a full 50 bonus due to the slayers.
Has the OP tried removing one of the slayers and seeing what it does to your damage? I might give you an indication of the interplay between the slayers and your EOO bonus in this situation.
Has the OP tried removing one of the slayers and seeing what it does to your damage? I might give you an indication of the interplay between the slayers and your EOO bonus in this situation.
I can just repeat:
DI on your suit affects your Character Base Damage (CBD). It's easy to check, isn't it? Just check you damage in the stats window, equip jewels with DI, check again.
And it doesn't count to 300% damage cap. This cap means your max real damage is 3x CBD. It's easy to check, isn't it? Take off all DI items and check your damage with a double slayer, EOO, Honor. It will not be more than 3x of your CBD.
There are 2 different 300% Caps.
http://stratics.com/community/threads/120-chiv.286917/#post-2192380
There are 2 Caps, there's the damage Increase cap, and the damage multiplier cap.
You are at the damage increase cap. Enemy of One and Consecrate weapon act like slayer damage which is modifier damage. They will multiply that 300 you already have by up to 300% more. If you have other modifiers in effect (Slayer, Perfection, Bard) you only need enough chiv to get you to 300 multipliers to hit max damage. If you don't have bushido/perfection, then 120 Chiv will get you close (98%) to the damage you'd do with perfection, without the headache of worrying about honoring the target.
The formular for damage is like this
Damage = (X + W(X) + T(X) + A(X) + S(X) B(X)) * M
X is your base weapon damage
W is your Damage Increase (Capped at 100)
T is your Tactics Damage Increase Factor
A is your Anatomy Damage Increase Factor
S is your Strength Damage Increase Factor
B is your Bards Inspire Damage Increase factor (up to 64%)
The Cap % for W,T,A,S is 300% (Your damage increase cap)
Your base Modifier is 100%
Super Slayer is bonus 100% to your multiplier
True Slayer is bonus 200% to your multiplier
Perfection is 10% bonus per level up to 100% to your multiplier
Enemy of One is up to 82% bonus @120 Chiv to your multiplier
Concecrate weapon is up to 16% bonus @ 120 to your multiplier
Honor self is bonus 25% to your multiplier
Bard Inspire Damage Modifier is up to 15% bonus to your multiplier
Grapes of Wrath is 10% bonus to your multiplier. (edit: Forgot this)
The Cap for all your multipliers is 300%
Hope I didnt overload you there.
Last edited:
If you know all why are you asking?
I said you how it works and said you how to check in the game that it works this way. What else do you want?
Can you suggest a test that would prove your position?
Really you needn't 100 and 100 bonuses. Those bonuses are Damage Multipliers. So you need 100% and 50% to get 300%: 100% * 2 * 1.5 = 300%.
1) What Logrus posted.
2) You cant have this discussion with 99% of UO players without getting similar terminology mixed up.
3) A quick rule of thumb.. X is the damage range displayed in your status bar. If something changes X then you MUST max that something to its cap if you want to be doing max dmg when you add in "multipliers" (aka slayers / perfection / Eeo)
4) 3X is the cap.. aka... 1 LESSER slayer OR 1 Super slayer + perfection OR a few other combinations that would require me to google up...read Logrus numbers again....its all there.
2) You cant have this discussion with 99% of UO players without getting similar terminology mixed up.
3) A quick rule of thumb.. X is the damage range displayed in your status bar. If something changes X then you MUST max that something to its cap if you want to be doing max dmg when you add in "multipliers" (aka slayers / perfection / Eeo)
4) 3X is the cap.. aka... 1 LESSER slayer OR 1 Super slayer + perfection OR a few other combinations that would require me to google up...read Logrus numbers again....its all there.
You can reach the cap with just SuperSlayer and EOO.
Always wondered if slayers stacked, but never tested it.
I wonder if you take double the additional damage against the opposed group.
-Lorax
That would be some kind of painful.
Ok, I see as well. So two caps. One is your DI which caps at 100 DI. And then a second for the bonus to 3x. So you assume your base damage is 100%. Super slayer adds 100%, specific slayer adds 200%, EOO adds 50% at 84 Chiv, perfection adds 100%, etc for a cap of base (100%) plus up to 200%.
As I know there are also "negative" multipliers (like AI and DS).
If you use a slayer then you need other 50% to get the cap. If you also use AI you probably need other 67%.
This can be easily tested on TC by adjusting Chiv spell. Karma doesn't affect EOO bonus.
p.s. I'm still not sure how AI/DS penalty works.
If you use a slayer then you need other 50% to get the cap. If you also use AI you probably need other 67%.
This can be easily tested on TC by adjusting Chiv spell. Karma doesn't affect EOO bonus.
p.s. I'm still not sure how AI/DS penalty works.
Last edited:
That's kinda right.
Your personal, DI from items is capped at 100 (W is your Damage Increase (Capped at 100)). That is part of the damage increase, which overall is capped at 300 (The Cap % for W,T,A,S is 300% (Your damage increase cap)) . Included in that is bonuses from strength, tactics, anatomy, ect....
Then there are damage modifiers, which is separately capped at 300% (The Cap for all your multipliers is 300%).
Also of note, bard songs are not limited by those caps.
Last edited:
The formular for damage is like this
Damage = (X + W(X) + T(X) + A(X) + S(X) B(X)) * M
X is your base weapon damage
W is your Damage Increase (Capped at 100)
T is your Tactics Damage Increase Factor
A is your Anatomy Damage Increase Factor
S is your Strength Damage Increase Factor
B is your Bards Inspire Damage Increase factor (up to 64%)
The Cap % for W,T,A,S is 300% (Your damage increase cap) <<<----------------------------------
Yeah, there is. (no offense, I'll take Logrus's word over yours)
And if you want to look at it that way, you can exceed both caps with a bard song.
Last edited:
I'd say the extra is from lumberjacking and that also allows you to exceed the cap.
Lumberjack Damage Bonus% = Lumberjack ÷ 5 (Add 10% if Lumberjacking >= 100)
Last edited:
Could you give me any example when this cap is taken in account? (when your damage is cut due to this cap)
Yes, I have read this. But I haven't tested this myself and didn't know any person who tested this. So I can't be sure (although I believe it's true). I noticed that even stratics and uoguide are wrong sometimes.
You start at 100% of your damage... ok I can agree with this. But you're adding it into damage INCREASE which makes 0 sense to me!?
What I'm saying is, 200% of your BASE DAMAGE is +100% DAMAGE INCREASE
so Undead slayer 1 is +100%
undead slayer 2 is +100%
thus, your at 200% damage INCREASE
This is not completely true.
At GM Lumberjacking you get 30% or 100% Damage Increase. I think that probability to get 100% Damage Increase is about 10-15% but I'm not sure. So GM Lumberjacking at average gives you about 40% Damage Increase.
Special Move modifiers (usually) are Damage Multipliers so they are subject to 300% cap (this is why moves like Crushing Blow are useless in PvM). So you can get 3x damage.
I believe you need slayer and 67% EOO (about 103 chivalry?) to get 300%:
2 * 1.67 * 0.9 = 3
All my chars have 120 chivalry or have 120 bushido and honor targets before AI.
I know that 82% EOO + slayer is enough to do 3x damage but I don't sure about exact chiv amount needed. May be i will check this on TC but really this question hasn't practical value for me. Even when my char has 95 chiv the first hit gives me 12% honor damage that compensates AI penalty (if it exists).
I believe you need slayer and 67% EOO (about 103 chivalry?) to get 300%:
2 * 1.67 * 0.9 = 3
All my chars have 120 chivalry or have 120 bushido and honor targets before AI.
I know that 82% EOO + slayer is enough to do 3x damage but I don't sure about exact chiv amount needed. May be i will check this on TC but really this question hasn't practical value for me. Even when my char has 95 chiv the first hit gives me 12% honor damage that compensates AI penalty (if it exists).