We, the people who play SP, can re-make the shard if we really want to.

[CorwinWE2]

Siege didn't die because of anything Kelmo or Arden did ... if you want to get technical, I'd say Siege was stillborn. Yet another cool idea that died to a lack of attention, resources, and follow through. That players hoping to return to an earlier age actually made something of the shard is a testament to the player base and nostaligia. Not the shard, and certainly not the game.

fwiw, I've never been a proponent of no-recall. To some extent it's been counter-productive because while it was completely possible to kill people before they could recall (or run in to their house, or cross in to town) if they didn't think they had a chance to escape they wouldn't come out and play. The players who are outnumbered, laggy, or just bad at PvP need some reason to risk their neck.

Anyway, there's no going back, but if Kelmo and others are still having fun with the game and shard, more power to them.

 

[FrejaSP]

We can't live in the past. It's not the changes in rules on Siege, that make the shard have less players.
Whole UO are losing players. There are so many games out there, and UO is 18 years old, not the first game young guys will choose.
The old UO players and Siege players are getting older too, many got a life with familie and don't have time to play. Then we had the economy crises, that forced alot to have 2 jobs and no play time or just no money for the game.

Going back won't help Siege, we can't use nostaligia to anything. Yes we may get a few old back for a short time, but how many of the loyal Siege players will it make us lose? I can see, it's hard, the free servers your guys use to play, keep dying, but if you had wanted to fight for Siege, you should not have abandoned the shard for so many years and then come here and blame the loyal players for changes made when you was playing free shards.

We all know, the moment someone start a new cool free shard, your guys will be gone again.

 

[Hera - Siege]

Siege didn't die because of anything Kelmo or Arden did ... if you want to get technical, I'd say Siege was stillborn....

Nice to see you still lurking on occassion. *salutes*

 

[CorwinWE2]

Nice to see you still lurking on occassion. *salutes*

I still have some UO links on my browser that I click from time to time.

 

[CorwinWE2]

We can't live in the past. It's not the changes in rules on Siege, that make the shard have less players.
Whole UO are losing players. There are so many games out there, and UO is 18 years old, not the first game young guys will choose.
The old UO players and Siege players are getting older too, many got a life with familie and don't have time to play. Then we had the economy crises, that forced alot to have 2 jobs and no play time or just no money for the game.

Going back won't help Siege, we can't use nostaligia to anything. Yes we may get a few old back for a short time, but how many of the loyal Siege players will it make us lose? I can see, it's hard, the free servers your guys use to play, keep dying, but if you had wanted to fight for Siege, you should not have abandoned the shard for so many years and then come here and blame the loyal players for changes made when you was playing free shards.

We all know, the moment someone start a new cool free shard, your guys will be gone again.

Hi Freja, why are you blasting free shards? They are after-all free. That's a pretty good deal for anyone who still has some fondness for UO or even someone who wants to try it.

While I've personally never had a problem affording the UO subscription and the 1 to 3 accounts I've paid for at various times, I resented how EA started peddling the game like crack to addicts. For example , the biggest problem the one character per account limit caused Siege is that it discouraged players without access to multiple accounts. Yeah, sure, they were supposed to join a group and share resources. In reality? It's easier to just play somewhere else.

How many of us bought new copies of the game simply because it came with some item that would have compromised our ability to enjoy the game if we didn't buy it?

All this on top of the monthly subscription?

If they weren't going to follow the free to play model, the very least they could have done was to stop peddling upgrades like crack and just included them as part of the subscription. Everyone is free to spend their money how they want, but I found it despicable and insulting.

 

[Kael]

QUOTE="FrejaSP, post: 2597440, member: 191"]We can't live in the past. It's not the changes in rules on Siege, that make the shard have less players.
Whole UO are losing players. There are so many games out there, and UO is 18 years old, not the first game young guys will choose.
The old UO players and Siege players are getting older too, many got a life with familie and don't have time to play. Then we had the economy crises, that forced alot to have 2 jobs and no play time or just no money for the game.

Going back won't help Siege, we can't use nostaligia to anything. Yes we may get a few old back for a short time, but how many of the loyal Siege players will it make us lose? I can see, it's hard, the free servers your guys use to play, keep dying, but if you had wanted to fight for Siege, you should not have abandoned the shard for so many years and then come here and blame the loyal players for changes made when you was playing free shards.

We all know, the moment someone start a new cool free shard, your guys will be gone again.[/QUOTE]


I think you have it all wrong Freja. The free shard we play isn't dying. They average 800-1000 players on at most times. Not only a huge North American population but also Australian, German, Italian and Russian and of course Asian.People play because they like the era, the product is good, bug's get eliminated when they come up and they add new content on a continuous basis. You run or did run the NEW guild on SP. Would it surprise you that the NEW guild on my shard has had over 21k members in three years? Some people come and go...others play continuously. One thing is consistent though...they get new players all the time. Maybe you can't go back in time...but these shards have done a remarkable job in recreating that fun and enjoyment.

 

[Drelkag]

Me and a friend just started UO after hearing about Siege. It seemed like the game I read so much about. Just saved up for a LRC set for friend and a dex set for myself running NPC escorts and putting some gold back for backups. Enjoying ourselves exploring and learning the land, even if we haven't seen another player outside of New Magincia yet.

 

[Max Blackoak]

Me and a friend just started UO after hearing about Siege. It seemed like the game I read so much about. Just saved up for a LRC set for friend and a dex set for myself running NPC escorts and putting some gold back for backups. Enjoying ourselves exploring and learning the land, even if we haven't seen another player outside of New Magincia yet.

Use general chat if you need help with anything or if you have questions.

 

[FrejaSP]

Explore the house teleporters, you will find in New Magincia public houses, they will bring you around the land. Some public houses also offer some kind of newbie help, that be dyes, public seed box, anyone secures with newbie stuff.

 

[pr0x_y]

It is up to the players to save the shard. Run some player run events once in a while. Start a new player run city. EM events are nice, but seriously, how often do they ever actually happen? The population is small, but it's not dead. There's no excuse that there isn't a tighter community beyond "everyone knows everyone's name and talks to each other" on this shard.

 

[Uvtha]

It is up to the players to save the shard. Run some player run events once in a while. Start a new player run city. EM events are nice, but seriously, how often do they ever actually happen? The population is small, but it's not dead. There's no excuse that there isn't a tighter community beyond "everyone knows everyone's name and talks to each other" on this shard.

I just think it's wrong thinking to assume things like that will "save" the shard. I don't really know what saving it means or entails, but player events and cities (both of which we have) are not going to do much of anything other than potentially make some evenings more pleasant.

 

[CorwinWE2]

I just think it's wrong thinking to assume things like that will "save" the shard. I don't really know what saving it means or entails, but player events and cities (both of which we have) are not going to do much of anything other than potentially make some evenings more pleasant.

The key is for people to get their butts in game and find something to do that leads to player interaction. Alas, I have no clue about the state of things, but sometimes the current game mechanics simply make that unpleasant.

Heck, from the beginning of Siege, when guilds used to "own" Dungeons ... it wasn't that they were all online hanging out in the Dungeon. Nah, maybe a couple were online taking advantage of the free farming, and some were running ghost cams, but the rest were on call via IRC or ICQ.

Game companies should hire some social engineers who've actually studied what creates sustainable gaming loops for players and then encourage them via game design. One of my ideas once upon a time was to put like 30 of each reagent on a certain creature at a specific spawn, and voila, you'd have a constant flow of players heading there to restock. If it's not setup as a gauntlet or a shooting gallery, enough players would risk it knowing they may be attacked.

 

[Uvtha]

Game companies should hire some social engineers who've actually studied what creates sustainable gaming loops for players and then encourage them via game design.

They have. It's called Destiny. :/

 

[FrejaSP]

One of my ideas once upon a time was to put like 30 of each reagent on a certain creature at a specific spawn, and voila, you'd have a constant flow of players heading there to restock.

Corwin you speak like it's still the same game you left 11 years ago, it's not! You really need to start playing again and stop living in the past. Alot have changed, some may be bad but alot is good for the game. Who care about regs now, they are only used to make potions as all mages run in 100% LRC suits now and it's very easy and cheap to imbue.

I'm sure your good old WW and Mare are tired of being in stable for years, please let them out in the new world, you may like VvV

 

[pr0x_y]

Corwin you speak like it's still the same game you left 11 years ago, it's not!

And that's what turns me off. Leaving town and wandering around not seeing anybody for hours at a time. I don't need to pay a subscription fee to simply talk to people online. I've got Skype for that.

 

[FrejaSP]

And that's what turns me off. Leaving town and wandering around not seeing anybody for hours at a time. I don't need to pay a subscription fee to simply talk to people online. I've got Skype for that.

It is up to the players to save the shard. Run some player run events once in a while. Start a new player run city. EM events are nice, but seriously, how often do they ever actually happen? The population is small, but it's not dead. There's no excuse that there isn't a tighter community beyond "everyone knows everyone's name and talks to each other" on this shard.

It's not only Siege that are losing players, it's whole UO. I too hope to see more life on Siege. The Siege players do run events, but sometimes, we get a little tired and lose hope I fear. We get older and we do have a RL too and we play in different time zones.
It's easy to say "It is up to the players to save the shard ...." It's easy to stay outside and tell others what to do, what about you show us? At least we do play Siege, that do help keeping the shard alive. The old Siege players are out there, they do still have chars here, some do still pay to keep a house or a castle alive. I dream about the day, something happens, that will make them say, oh the shard are alive, let me join them, then the shard really would be alive.

I know some old guilds are still out there, playing other games but I really don't know what more we can do as players if you old Siege won't help filling the shard.

 

[Viscount Goop]

So a slime walks into a bar....well, my time in the woods has ended and Im returning to the city. this meens UO ! seeing MANY of the familular names is encouraging !as to the ? in this forum ...there were lots of things to do but then again i moved to SP for the old school feel of a single player game. I was in GIL or still am...and we had lots of get to-gethers/events and such.

 

[FrejaSP]

Welcome back Slimy boy

 

[Rieley]

I know this is not a recent post, but behind reading stratics. There are some of us that still pop in Siege, and still read Siege threads. First of all this has to be one of the most nasty posts I've read in years. How dare you talk to another person like this and then state 'they' are the problem.

Said it before and I'll say it again, it's attitudes like this for some of the reasons people leave Siege. The real reason Siege is slow is because the numbers playing UO are going down. Many players moved to Atlantic because their home shard slowed down. Players cannot transfer off of Siege. To transfer from one prodo shard to another is not that great of a difference. Shard rules are basically the same.

Nice troll /sarcasm. Good to know the reason you banned me multiple times on this forum for, you are currently an active participant in.

Is siege dead? Yup.
Was it at its peak when I played? Yup.
Did you ever matter in game? Nope.
Were you a part of the people problem with siege? Yup.

You can it a crap story, but when you were the crap causing the issues it can be all you see sometimes.

I imagine most folks that played when I did would agree with me, which is why most have moved on and the rest are left confused and unhappy with the server.

 

[GoodGuy]

Corwhine killed siege with WW's and lances, and Arden killed siege by whatever means he could possibly troll someone. He rarely risked anything and thought he should be rewarded with honours to the same extent as other PvPers who were out there 7 days a week fighting hundreds of fights a week when Arden would maybe should up for 5-10 good fights but only when he could afford the PVP suits that is. Then die, and cry in vent and log out for a week until someone gave him more gear out of pity.

Sorry Arden, i think we all have different memories of Siege and what it was and who the players were.

GoodCry out. I love and miss everybody I spent time with here dearly.

 

[Victim of Siege]

Siege aint dead.

 

[kelmo]

Hey! I thought I killed Siege!

 

[SpyderBite]

It is up to the players to save the shard. Run some player run events once in a while. Start a new player run city. EM events are nice, but seriously, how often do they ever actually happen? The population is small, but it's not dead. There's no excuse that there isn't a tighter community beyond "everyone knows everyone's name and talks to each other" on this shard.

Siege and UO (Production) will always be around while people keep paying their monthly subscription. UO server is hardly a resource siphon. Probably only costs a couple thousand a month to keep it running as well as a skeleton crew of developers. No wonder tiny shops keep buying it up. Its easy cash.

So, back on topic. Yes, @pr0x_y you as players can save the shard. Just keep paying your subscription.

 

[Chump Thumper]

man i wish someone would kill this thread.

 

[Tanivar]

What we need are people out actively playing the game instead of sitting talking on GC. Let's make this shard look more active by going out and doing things openly without stealthing everywhere. This alone would help Siege be more attractive to players.

 

[FrejaSP]

What we need are people out actively playing the game instead of sitting talking on GC. Let's make this shard look more active by going out and doing things openly without stealthing everywhere. This alone would help Siege be more attractive to players.

I found a newbie Abu'dro running around my castle yesterday, looking for vendors. His first comment was "finally a real player". I told him to switch to Gen chat and use it, if he needed help to something.
I gave him a suit and a set of jewelry and showed New Mags vendors to him. I also told him to explore the teles and use the chat, if he needed help or advices.He had been away for 12 years and never been on Siege.
I believe it would help, if they inactivated the Help chat on Siege and let new players join Gen Chat, when they make their char or rejoin with one from before the chat system.
He was happy to hear, the shard was not dead. He had been training all alone,

 

[Black_Magick]

What we need are people out actively playing the game instead of sitting talking on GC. Let's make this shard look more active by going out and doing things openly without stealthing everywhere. This alone would help Siege be more attractive to players.

This guy gets it. Now in my opinion, as has been pointed out previously in the thread, why would someone who enjoys certain aspects of the game come back/come here when there are many other options that present themselves and are normally better? I have no idea if the server is dead or is as populated as when I left, it's a valid question regardless. Also, INB4 "There's no trammel" or some variant, everyone runs stealth which is in some ways worse than having trammel.

 

[Uvtha]

everyone runs stealth

I don't!

 

[Silent Singer]

This thread still going huh? Sure seems to be a lot of pancakes from players I've not seen online in the last year......

 

[Chump Thumper]

LEt it goooooo LEt it gooooo I dont want to post this i really dont, But the thread is at the top, So i feel ok about it. But This thread needs to be taken out to pasture.

 

[FrejaSP]

LEt it goooooo LEt it gooooo I dont want to post this i really dont, But the thread is at the top, So i feel ok about it. But This thread needs to be taken out to pasture.

Why, I like this thread. Sure there may be a few negative posts but we never all agreed, what is good for Siege and I understand old Siege players get frustrated, when the game is different from the old game, that gave them so much fun and memories. It take time to get use to the changes and accept, the old days won't be back.

 

[Victim of Siege]

*runs around in a circle pretending to be an airplane*

 

[RueTor]

*runs around in a circle pretending to be an airplane*

I have no words for this.... so here you go...

 

[CorwinWE2]

Corwin you speak like it's still the same game you left 11 years ago, it's not! You really need to start playing again and stop living in the past. Alot have changed, some may be bad but alot is good for the game. Who care about regs now, they are only used to make potions as all mages run in 100% LRC suits now and it's very easy and cheap to imbue.

I'm sure your good old WW and Mare are tired of being in stable for years, please let them out in the new world, you may like VvV

It's the idea not the example that matters, but hey, if there's no reason for people to go out and do anything in the game short of showing up for a player-run event; then it's pretty hopeless. Running around look for people to fight is a dead-end.

As for myself, I left the game for numerous reasons, and best I can tell nothing has changed for the better. LRC suits becoming common-place thanks to imbuing isn't what I'd consider a good thing.

 

[Arden]

Corwhine killed siege with WW's and lances, and Arden killed siege by whatever means he could possibly troll someone. He rarely risked anything and thought he should be rewarded with honours to the same extent as other PvPers who were out there 7 days a week fighting hundreds of fights a week when Arden would maybe should up for 5-10 good fights but only when he could afford the PVP suits that is. Then die, and cry in vent and log out for a week until someone gave him more gear out of pity.

Sorry Arden, i think we all have different memories of Siege and what it was and who the players were.

GoodCry out. I love and miss everybody I spent time with here dearly.

I lol'd

I did pancake and moan in vent at times when I would lose full pvp suits of artifacts or entire doom pve doom suits on 3-4 characters at once, but I dont ever remember having a shortage of gear, or not being able to afford anything I wanted. I think you forgot, I had so much gold, I had to keep it in my house bc there wasn't enough space in the bank for 1mil checks. I geared to win every fight, I wasn't you running around in GM armor, 10 of each reg, and 1 DP pot. And sadly, my past addiction to this game wouldn't allow me to quit for a week at a time.

GG arent you the guy that would die, get mad, blame everyone in vent, log out of vent, put on a disguise kit, come back fight us like a naked luna figther, but forget you were still on UOAM??

But maybe Im wrong...