Valorite runic results with some feedback from Hanse

[imported_Kulgan]

I was on the Hanse PvP server this afternoon, so I decided to make 9 daggers in iron and 6 pieces of valorite armor. Here are the results, all made exceptional (where damage increase was only 35% it was not listed).

Daggers:

1. 60% Durability, Hit Fireball 38%, Mage Weapon -21, Hit Lower Attack 44%, Damage Increase 44%
2. Dragon Slayer, Hit Poison Area 32%, Swing Speed Increase 20%, Physical Resist 13% only 4 mods?
3. 50% Durability, Hit Stamina Leech 32%, Mage Weapon -23, Physical Resist 10%, Lower Requirements 90%
4. Ophidian Slayer, 60% Durability, Hit Life Leech 30%, Hit Lower Defense 48%, Hit Lower Attack 48%
5. Orc Slayer, 60% Durability, Hit Harm 36%, Fire Resist 9%, Damage Shift (10/30/0/30/30)
6. Poison Elemental Slayer, Spell Channeling -1FC, Luck 77, Energy Resist 15%, Damage Shift (70/0/10/0/20)
7. Swing Speed Increase 20%, Damage Increase 45%, Fire Resist 10%, Cold Resist 15%, Energy Resist 8%
8. Mage Weapon -23, Hit Fire Area 34%, Fire Resist 13%, Use Best Weapon Skill, Damage Shift (10/30/50/10/0)
9. Earth Elemental Slayer, Mana Leech 38%, Life Leech 50%, Physical Resist 8%, Energy Resist 11%

Armor:

10. 65 Total: 10/17/8/14/16, Mage Armor, Lower Requirements 90%
11. 57 Total: 8/4/10/13/22, Hit Point Increase 4, Stamina Increase 5, Mana Increase 4
12. 46 Total: 8/4/20/7/7, Hit Point Increase 4, Mana Regeneration 1, Lower Reagent Cost 12%, Mage Armor
13. 34 Total: 11/4/6/8/5, Mana Increase 6, Hit Point Regeneration 2, Stamina Regeneration 3, Mana Regeneration 2, Mage Armor
14. 42 Total: 8/4/5/18/7, Self Repair 3, Luck 51, Reflect Physical Damage 10%, Lower Reagent Cost 11%,
15. 57 Total: 22/4/6/19/6, Self Repair 4, Mana Increase 8, Night Sight

#13 was quite unusual. I guess #9 dagger was best, but I was none too impressed with any of them, really.

I talked to Hanse about #2 here's what he had to say after I handed it over to him:

<font color=blue>Hanse OSI Dev: hmmm
Hanse OSI Dev: yeah only four properties
Hanse OSI Dev: I must have missed something
Hanse OSI Dev: I'll check it out</font color=blue>

 

[Nadia of_Sonoma]

As always, thanks for sharing!

And to think, that complaint with runic crafting only surfaces periodically since shortly after the AoS publish. /php-bin/shared/images/icons/wink.gif

 

[Sarryth]

I find it very hard to believe that he wasnt aware of that problem with runics. Lets hope they finally do something about it though.

 

[Guest]

I hope if he fixes it his "ifx" works on all runic tools. I have horned runic made pieces with 1 and 2 mods on them. Basically all the runic tools are not working as advertised right now.

 

[Guest]

Next time, ask him the logic in letting people roll 3 and more resists on a single weapon

 

[leondanny]

well, i bet that if we would ask him that he would say this:

Hanse OSI Dev: hmmm
Hanse OSI Dev: yeah only 3 properties
Hanse OSI Dev: I must have missed something
Hanse OSI Dev: I'll check it out

 

[MysteryWombat]

Ugh. If I ever get a valorite runic on a production shard, I'm selling it.

Although armor item 10 would be nice on my mage and armor items 11 and 15 would be nice on my paladin. I bet they'd sell for a lot less than the runic does, though.

 

[gandolfofaol]

Valorite Results
#1 Spider Slayer, Mage Weapon -24, Luck 73, DCI 13, ER 15
#2 Mage Weapon -20, SC -1FC,SSI 25, ER 10, Hit Fireball 46
#3 Ogre Slayer, HLL 34, HCI 12, UBWS (4 properties)
#4 SC -1FC, DCI 15,SSI 25, DamInc 47, PoR 10
#5 Scorpian Slayer, SC 0FC, Hit Lightening 44, CR 13
#6 Hit Harm 38%, HSL 46, HLA 38, HLD 38, DamInc 41
#7 HLL 26, HCI 9, FR 12, PoR 13, LowerReq 70
#8 SC -1FC, PhR 9, CR 8, PoR 12, LowerReq 60
#9 Hit Dispel 28, HSL 34, HLA 28, DamInc 46, PhR 14
#10 Durability 80%, HML 26, HLA 26, Luck 82, Damage 30Ph/30cold/20poison/20energy
#11 Mage Weapon -24, DamInc 41, UBWS, PhR 8, LowerReq 60
#12 HLA 32, HPA 46, DCI 8, PhR 11, UBWS
#13 HLA 46, HML 46, DCI 13, DamInc 45, CR 13
#14 SSI 25, PhR 13, CR 14, PoR 13, LowerReq 80
#15 HSL 28, Luck 70, DCI 12, FR 9, LowerReq 80

Hardly worth the effort IMHO
Come on people lets add some more test results and maybe we can catch their attention. Either let us have more control over what we craft or make the high end runics less difficult to obtain. Less difficult doesn't mean easy it just means make it possible. I know its been said but I'll say it again Take away the properties that can be provided by ore (Durability and Lower Requirements) and take away all bonus to resist. Also do not allow for Mage Weapon and UBWS on the same weapon.

 

[lordbane31]

I have a dumb question. How do you get the Runic hammers on the Test Shard? Is it in the FAQ somewhere? I'd love to help you guys out with your testing if there's an easy way to get them.

Thanks

 

[gandolfofaol]

When you create a new char on an old style test shard (Hanse PvP) your bank box comes fully loaded so you can spend time testing rather than building skills and gathering resources.

 

[lordbane31]

I agree with gandolfofaol completely.

Actually how about this? Make Runic have two types of enhancements. Primary and Secondary.

Primary would be HCI, DCI, SSI, etc (the really good mods)
Secondary would be Lower Requirements, Mage Armor, Spell Channeling, Faster Casting, Durability, Night Sight (and maybe others)

Resistances would be removed entirely from weapons.

Runic Hammers would have a set number of Primary and Secondary enchancements available. They'd have to play with it a bit, but obviously the upper end Runics would have more Primary and a couple secondary, while the lower end would have fewer Primary, but still a couple secondary. This would improve the quality of Runic weapons without overpowering them.

 

[buxombaby]

missed property was not 35% di?
i know you get this anyway for EQ but if that number was also rolled it would only show once.

 

[Guest]

I would have to agree. I went and blew through all 5 valorite and all 5 verite runics on the test center and I did not craft a single katana that jumped out and said "wow, this is what you could get after years of bod collecting! I'm an uber katana of doom!" I would wager a guess that out of the 175 runic attempts, maybe half of a dozen were something I'd set aside to play around with or sell, but nothing extraordinary.

My personal belief is that on the verite and valorite runics, we should be able to choose 1 property (although with random intensity). At least then we'd have a better chance at getting something useful. Perhaps scaling, so 1 choice on the verite; 2 choices on the valorite. Even given this you'd still probably end up with mostly junk, heh. All it takes is a resist or mage weapon or fire ele slayer to screw it up. I actually had one really nice katana out of those 175. It was something like 45 hit lightning, 50 stamina leech, 25 ssi, 48 damage increase... and then it was an air ele slayer, lol.

At least I can thank you for letting me test out the runics. Now I know not to waste any of my hard earned time crafting with them and to sell them off to some shmuck who doesn't realize they're pretty much going to give junk

 

[Kylas]

Imagine how bad it was for us guys that had Valorite hammers with the OLD distribution curve for bonuses.

I blew 10 charges making junk you wouldnt loot from a DF.

Dig

 

[deathz]

15 Val Katanas with Val Runic
1. Dura 80%, Dragon Slayer, hit Fireball 34%, FC 1, Lower Req 60%
2. Lower Attack 40%, Life Leech 46%, SSI 15%, Phys Res 11%, Fire Res 9%
3. Lower Def 42%, Mana Leech 38%, Spell Channel, Lower req 70% (4 Mods)
4. Stam Leech 38%, Lower Attack 38%, Life Leech 38%, Luck 71, FC1
5. Lower Def 36%, Life Leech 38%, Luck 97, Energy Res 10%, Lower Req 90%
6. Life Leech 32%, Lower Attack 50%, Cold Res 9%, Energy Res 8%, Cold dmg 10%, poison dmg 40%, energy dmg 50%
7. Stam Leech 46%, Dmg Inc 46%, Phys res 13%, Fire Res 9%, UBW
8. Lower Def 42%, Stam Leech 28%, Life Leech 28%, Luck 85, Fire Res 14%
9. Magic Arrow 48%, Mana Leech 44%, SSI 25%, Cold Res 10%, Poison Res 11%
10. Lower Def 38%, Scorp Slayer, Mana Leech 50%, DCI 9%, Dmg Inc 48%
11. Spell Channel, Life Leech 38%, Lower Def 34%, Luck 73, FC -1, Lower req 70%
12. Mana Leech 28%, Mage Weap, Spell Channel, Luck 87, FC -1, Poison Res 14%
13. Fireball 30%, Life Leech 36%, Poison Area 44%, Luck 85, Dmg Inc 37%
14. Spell Channel, Scorp Slayer, FC -1, Phys Res 10%, Cold Res 11%, Energy Res 12%
15. Mage Weap, Stam Leech 48%, Luck 78, FC 1, Fire Dmg 50% (no Phys Dmg)

Next Val Hammer, same as above
1. Fire Area 44%, Luck 96, FC 1, SSI 30%, Poison Res 8%
2. Energy Area 30%, Lower Attack 38%, HCI 14%, Dmg Inc 37%, Cold Dmg 60%, Energy Dmg 40%
3. Poison Area 28%, Luck 67, FC1, Dmg Inc 38%, Cold Res 10%
4. Troll Slayer, Spell Channel, SSI 20%, Cold Res 9% (4 mods)
5. Life Leech 30%, Air Ele Slayer, Stam Leech 36%, DCI 14%, SSI 25%
6. Mage Weap, Mana Leech 44%, Energy Res 8%, Lower Req 50%, Cold Dmg 30%, Poison Dmg 40%, Energy Dmg 30%
7. Lower Attack 40%, Dispel 26%, DCI 11%, Dmg Inc 38%, Poison Res 13%
8. Energy Area 30%, Stam Leech 46%, Cold Res 9%, Poison Res 8%, UBW
9. Lower Attack 28%, Lower Def 48%, HCI 11%, Phys Res 13%, Cold Res 9%
10. Mana Leech 44%, Life Leech 50%, Earth Ele Slayer, SSI 30%, Dmg Inc 36%
11. Life Leech 30%, Lower Attack 26%, Luck 85, Phys Res 12%, Poison Res 13%
12. Life Leech 50%, Terathan Slayer, Dmg Inc 41%, Fire Res 9%, Energy Res 12%
13. Lower Attack 38%, HCI 9%, DCI 10%, Phys Res 9%, Poison Res 10%
14. Spell Channel, Mana Leech 26%, Lower Attack 34%, FC -1, Poison Res 14%, UBW
15. Life Leech 44%, Troll Slayer, FC1, Fire Resist 14%, Energy Res 10%

One word, LAME!! Considering a val hammer could take years to get and they cost in excess of 30 million, we are being ripped off.

 

[Organ Morgan]

I think that the best way to solve the problem (apart from missing properties)with the runic hammers and sewing kits would be to allow the smith or tailor to select the properties they required and have them applied with varying intensity to the item, however when they chose to select their properties the item would recieve a cursed tag and be uninsurable and unblessable.

 

[Greephammer]

Deathz... um, what exactly were you expecting? the #10 kat on the second hammer is a very rare weapon... if it had been a dagger it would have been worth the price of both val hammers combined.

 

[MysteryWombat]

You think you could get more than 60 million for those stats on a dagger? I would be honestly surprised if that were the case. I could be in for an honest surprise, though...

 

[BlackPhoenix]

On GL i know many pvpers that would pay around 60mil for a weapon like that if its a dagger, katana, or kryss.

 

[Morin]

question: Was the weapons with "4" mods exceptional?
if so that gives it 35% DI.
Weapons have a property value of 1-50 DI
Valorite give 50% - 100% of property value.
35% DI is more then 50% Property value, and they are not cumulative.
So an exceptional weapon with "4" properties, could have had the 5th as DI, but you don't see it.

 

[Nadia of_Sonoma]

<font color=blue>Was the weapons with "4" mods exceptional?</font color=blue>
From the original post: "all made exceptional"

I wonder if it's possible the system sees a 71-72% roll on Damage Increase as being greater than the base 35% for Exceptional and thus uses a property to replace 35% with 35% (rounded).

 

[davesmith]

I recently filled a 20 exe val plate large on LS, I birned it a few times at server down and these are 3 days worth of results, needless to say i sold it hehe.
ALL forks, all gold so ignore first 40 luck and lower req

1
Spell channel no –1
Ssi 25
Mana leech 30
Hci 14

2
Spell channel –1
Mage weep –24
Life leech 30
Lower def 46
Luck 92

3
Spell channel –1
Ssi 30
Lower def 38
Snake slayer
Dur 60

4
Lower attack 48
Life leech 40
Hci 14
DI 43
Lower req 50

5
Ssi 25
Life leech 30
Luck 70
Lower req 70
Energy resist 15

6
Spell channel –1
Di 44
Hci 14
Posion resist 9
Ubws


7
Dur 50
Fire area 32
Life leech 38
DI 48
Fire resist 9

8
34 mana leech
46 stam leech
DI 47
DCI 15
And a colour mod =(

9
Hit energy area 34
Dci 14
DI 49
Energy resist 9
Lower req 70

10
Mage wep –21
Life leech 40
Magic arrow 28
Fire resist 10
Poison resist 15

11
Life leech 34
Earth ele slayer
44 lower def
hit cold area 36
poison resist 13


and another 4 prop one
12
harm 26
hci 12
fc1
lower req 60

13
lower attack 38
poison area 46
life leech 38
luck 53
FC 1

14
Hit lower def 40
HCI 10
Phys 10
Poison 9
Lower req 60

15
Life leech 30
Luck 70
SSI 25
Lower req 70
Energy resist 15
===================================================
1;

Stam leech 26
HLD 32
DCI 10
FC1
Energy resist 8

2;

Life leech 42
Mage wep –22
HC1 9
DI 38
UBWS

3;

Dur 50
Mage wep –25
DI 41
Cold resist 11
Poison resist 11


4;

Mage wep –23
Troll slayer
Hit phys area 42
Phys resist 13
Colour mod

5;

Stam leech 40
Life leech 30
HCI 13
Dur 60
Cold resist 11

6;

Stam leech 46
Life leech 44
DCI 13
Luck 76
Cold resist 9

7;

DCI 14
FC1
Fire resist 15
Poison resist 9
UBWS

8;

Lightening 26
Mage wep –24
Cold area 28
Life leech 46
UBWS

9;

Troll slayer
Hit energy area 48
DI 42
Cold resist 15
UBWS

10;

HCI 9
FC1
UBWS
Phys resist 12
Fire resist 13

11;

Poison area 48
HCI 8
DCI 8
FC1
Cold resist 12

12;

Dur 60
Life leech 40
Stam leech 40
HCI 13
Cold resist 11

13;

Daemon slayer
Life leech 28
Phys resist 13
Poison resist 14
Colour mod

14;

Stam leech 46
Mana leech 44
Fire area 38
Phys resist 12
Energy resist 11

15;

SPELL CHANNEL
Mage wep –20
Stam leech 40
HLA 40



===================================

Fireball 24
Life leech 44
UBWS
Poison resist 10
Energy resist 10

DI 47
Phys resist 10
Fire resist 8
Lower req 90
Colour mod

DI 49
FC1
DUR 90
Fire resist 13
UBWS

Mage wep –24
Luck 93
FC1
Fire resist 9
Cold 10

Troll Slayer
Life leech 50
Mana leech 36
FC1
DI 49

Life leech 28
Fireball 26
FC1
Poison resist 13
Energy resist 8

Mage wep –24
Lower attack 26
SSI 30
DCI 11
Colour mod

Life leech 50
DI 50
Luck 72
Poison resist 11
Energy resist 11

Spell channel –1
Harm 34
Mana Leech 42
Luck 53
Colour mod

Spell channel –1
Earth Elemental slayer
HLD 46
DUR 50
Fire resist 13

Spell channel –1
Air Elemental slayer
Life leech 34
HCI 9
Colour mod

DUR 50
Poison area 34
HCI 11
FC1
Lower req 60

Lightening 30
HCI 14
DCI 10
FC1
SSI 20


and one sheild

Sheild
HCI 12
DCI 12
FC1
Lower req 70


overall i did 5 burns ( lost data from 2 ) and only had a couple of reasonable weapons considering how hard it was to get the hammer

 

[Jhym]

Wow -- most of those really really sucked.

Of course you do know that if you had gotten the best possible things you would have been cursing that it didn't save.

I would attempt some armor before you give up though -- most people seem to want to do armor on the higher end hammers and it usually is worth the effort.

I also wouldn't have done them in gold, but I like the danger of enhancing.

/php-bin/shared/images/icons/wink.gif

 

[Guest]

<blockquote><hr>

3. Lower Def 42%, Mana Leech 38%, Spell Channel, Lower req 70% (4 Mods)

<hr></blockquote>

It's got FIVE mods... SC with no penalty is two mods. All SC weaps spawn with the minus 1 penalty, when they have no penalty to casting speed its' because the weapon also had FC+1 added to it, negating the penalty.

<blockquote><hr>

4. Troll Slayer, Spell Channel, SSI 20%, Cold Res 9% (4 mods)

<hr></blockquote>

Same deal here. I wonder how many of these runic crafted weapons missing properties complaints are because of SC No penalty weapons, and any elemental spread which takes one property (ask yourself why nearly all 100% fire/poison/cold/energy weaps off of DC's usually have no other mods). I think certain amounts of elemental shift take a property.

 

[Guest]

<blockquote><hr>

and any elemental spread which takes one property (ask yourself why nearly all 100% fire/poison/cold/energy weaps off of DC's usually have no other mods). I think certain amounts of elemental shift take a property.

<hr></blockquote>Elemental shifts only take one property, regardless of intensity, if you are implying otherwise. You seem a bit vague.

 

[ShadesLove]

Not only that, but Geeeesss get rid of Scorp Slayers, Air Ele, Troll and Water ele all together. Increase the chance to make a Blood Ele, Undead, Repond, Demon or Elemental Slayer! No one wants one they are worthless, because u can kill a scorp with any normal weapon or even if u are in Shame and Earth Ele Slayer. And if a Val Runic is suppose to have Min intensity of 50 and max of 100...why are percents so low? Also seems like every Spell channeling weapon that I make is always going to have the -FC what is up with that.

I also agree with someone on the Runic Sewing kits, if crafting Leather Armour there shouldnt be any that takes the properties for mage armour...that just robs a property away from something else. I have seen some nice things that have been made with runic sewing kits..but most of the time u get junk.

I have even had things that I made with a horned runic kit that has had no properties at all the the resist is like maybe in 1 item is 3 points higher than what i can make with a normal sewing kit. Now that really hurts! Specially when the other day I used a kit and got 5 pieces that did that same thing.

And if Smiths have ASH's to help increase their skills for enhancing, why dont tailors have something the same...or raise the enhancing percents for tailoring, as it isnt fair to get a nice piece as loot and have it destroyed trying to enhance it. Plus it would be nice if the bod system was revamped for under gm skill, gm skill and over gm skill. I am sick of getting a normal 10 weapon bod on a 120 smith, that just doesnt seem right to take all the time to get that high and not get decent bods. I collect bods 3-4 times daily and seem to get the same junk evey day and this is with more that one over GM smith. Same thing goes for tailor bods.

Also it is kinda funny to make and advanced Pali with Fencing skill and to almost compete the quest and be handed a sword undead slayer. It needs to read what the person skills are not just give out swords all the time.

I know I might have posted some of this in the wrong forum, but I had to get it off my chest!