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Upcoming Town invasions ETA?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Slayvite, May 12, 2017.

  1. Slayvite

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    So it was said that we would get some of the old (and new) town invasions before the upcoming 20th Anniversary.
    Said anniversary is now just over 3 .5 months away.......
    When are these town invasions happening? Please not for just a couple of weeks before September!!
    Some of us don't play 24/7 and need time to plan in stuff to our working weeks.

    I understand your "redesigning" them to be new and such but.....
    .....just chose an old dead town like Jhelom or Delucia and just turn on a random invasion....

    Anything....i'm so bored of waiting for my new pets to bond before I grind...at least let me grind on a town invasion with them?

    @Mesanna
    @Kyronix
    @Bleak

    Edited because i cannot use a calendar :D
     
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    May .. *wondering if that joke works when done in mid-may*
     
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    Just hoping Hellsteeds, Silver Steeds and Dark Steed are all part of the invasion.
     
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    Yes, it gives me a warm feeling inside with how many want the Dark Steed and Hell Steed.
    The dark side is strong on stratics :devil:;)
     
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    The Hell Steed better damn not be anything special if they do turn it on. My Grizzled Mare is a 1 slot, untrainable waste of space after this publish.
     
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    The rest of May plus all of June, July, August and a most of September is more than 2.5 months.

    I'd expect Pub 98 around the beginning of August, going by the dev's ~3 month schedule. I'd also expect EM-led events building up to said invasion(s).
     
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    would be nice to have a story line
    just sayin'
     
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    And also NOT one that is only told through one time events.
     
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    Crank up the ophidian invasion in Delucia.....anything to make those dead towns have some meaning for a change.
    Personally I don't care if it fits in lore or not these days, most things these days are a "stretch" of the UO lore, but if a town is dead.....then why wouldn't the bad guys think it's an easy target?
     
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    I'm fairly certain that the Here Be Dragons fiction is the very early beginnings of it. Though it may be somewhat GL-specific.
     
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    The official fiction for the whole game is GL-centric...?
     
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    Not really just GL-centric. I remember one of the last "global arcs" I was around for the Devs put a lot of faith in the EM's to run the events on their shard. I forget which one honestly but there were mini-invasions here and there the EM's could turn on and off.. as well as the EM team writing most, if not all, of the fiction surrounding it.

    Seems a lot of shards had dragon themes along those lines recently though. To me it seemed more of a "celebration" of St. George's day. (and in all honesty I haven't a clue what St. George's day is lol) But.. to add to that there is a "St. George's Cross" in Luna on Atlantic that I did not see until yesterday. Possible tie in to the 20th arc? Hmmm seems like a long shot honestly.. but ya never really know.

    but EM Bennu, who was always fairly active, does seem to be quiet since I have been back.. perhaps they have him and some other EM's chained to a desk somewhere penning fiction for the 20th arc.
     
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    If they do go through with the invasions - I hope it's something significantly difficult like the equivalent of a high-level void pool force coming in - that makes it so folks have to work together.

    With all these new powerful tamers and other gear/templates that are in game, it needs to be far more challenging than the older invasions.

    I hope they make it happen!
     
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    Just curious: What's the difference between killing mobs in tows vs mobs in dungeons or anywhere else?
     
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    EM Malachi is on GL; Mirendel is a "baby" platinum dragon character on GL (in Yew). Most of the fiction he writes has far more resonance for, and thus repercussions, GL.

    The current arc on GL is also taking place (mostly) in the Ethereal Void, complete with the Shattered Obelisk and a floating house.
     
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    Variety.
     
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    Mythran???

    This is kind of unfortunate for the rest of us who actually enjoy having background fiction to role-play around but don't play on GL or follow GL lore or particularly want to be thrown the occasional GL fiction scraps. It's like that Time of Legends stuff all over again. Not that this is on you, or even something I'd blame EM Malachi for -- we all have our pet Ultima theories and elements that we favor, it's not like Ultima fiction (single player or otherwise) ever came with a coherent plan, and it's certainly not a priority for the developers to implement any consistency. I used to try to make sense of things and wish it were otherwise, but I feel like all of it (player or EM or otherwise) is just fan fiction anyway, so all of it matters or doesn't pretty equally.
     
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    If the global fiction is being written around GL-only storylines, then we have a problem. That's not appropriate or fair to the rest of the game. A wink and a nod here and there that doesn't affect the story as a whole is one thing, but the floating house, for example, makes ZERO sense and derails and confuses the story to everyone who isn't a GL follower.

    I'm all for shard individuality. However, and with nothing against GL or Malachi: GL is not UO. No individual shard is. Fiction that's for everyone shouldn't require a background on one specific shard to understand or appreciate.
     
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    You are always welcome to make a character on GL, and there are plenty of helpful people around the community who would be willing to help you make the move with items from your home server. If you enjoy the fiction element, GL is always a good shard to check out...
     
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    Probably around December :)
     
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    Thanks, I genuinely appreciate the offer. Right now, I'm playing on Catskills with a decent-size (for UO of 2017) role-playing guild and pretty satisfied with our setup, and I've been enjoying EM Dramnar's events and story/line fiction since he joined us last year. If I get some free time, maybe I'll check out an EM event or council meeting or something. I'm sure that GL is a fun place to RP as well; my comments weren't intended as a commentary on the quality of the shard or EM. It's more my general disappointment with the suggestion that any official lore we do get is basically scraps from GL-shard specific events and story-lines. Which, as quality as they may be, don't always reflect the histories or sensibilities of other shards. That's a top-level failure though, not an EM or player one. But the only way to really to react is to just resign myself to not bothering to really consider anything as "official" anymore.
     
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    Anytime you want to check us out on GLs you just let me know... Love Malachi... but yes you are right however remember NO ONE on the current DEV team is a good writer unless you want Minax having her mascara running again... and such.

    While I dearly love Malachi's creative style and how he knows so very much about Ultima's history and such and ties things in with that .... between he and Kyronixs it's pretty cool.

    While yes it doesn't fit with all the shards RP now that they all have separate EM Stories and such it would be a challenge for anyone to tie all that into one big plot for all shards... however we are a single game from a small team as many are so quick to point out... and all the shards originated from one Prime world.
     
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    I read this fiction and thought "cool, fiction!" and noted how Malachi, like any decent writer, used characters he already knew how to write. To most of the audience of course these characters'd be tantamount to "Bob the Blacksmith," or other random characters as the case may be.

    As a constant GL player, I, for one, didn't see this as GL fiction. I saw it as the game-wife fiction that happens to have used characters that made their first appearance on GL. For the rest of you of course these are the usual random NPCs that often appear in game fiction all the time.

    Game fiction generally contradicting shard-specific fiction, especially player fiction, is always a possibility. It's a constant worry of anyone who does fiction. I could tell you some neat-o stories from three different shards about how the RP communities there about how we tried very, very hard to work within a framework given to use by EA, with varying degrees of success and failure. It happens. We work with it.

    The thought that there are negative reactions toward fiction, and a negative reaction that one has to work pretty hard to find, is disturbing.

    -John's player
     
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    Purpose, meaning, story. The stuff of fantasy, legend, and literature, that led to these games we play.

    If that's not enough for you, then feel free not to participate.

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    PS: Additionally I note that krett isn't a GL specific character.

    BNN: Workers - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia

    And here's that dragon thingie. Aesthyron.

    BNN: Platinum Dragons - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia

    Google is fun.

    -John's player
     
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    I'm pretty sure the OP had something other in mind:

     
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    Hah. Yeah, Minax is definitely a character I wouldn't mind seeing gone after what, 17+ years of her? Some stories and characters really need a resolution and she's become a joke at this point.

    I don't doubt Malachi (and other EM's) have knowledge of Ultima lore -- while UO is its own entity, there's probably still a lot of single player Ultima fans playing this game, myself included. While each shard obviously has its own history that deviate from one another after the shattering of Mondain's gem, there have been global elements that have been implemented on all of them. For example, the Awakening global arc fiction, which I believe was written by EM Drosselmeyer, was done in a pretty shard-neutral manner that didn't seem to favor one over another. Now, for all I know, maybe all the references in the Here Be Dragons are foreshadowing some global content. Like the little man in the floating house, as I posted earlier, sounds a lot like Mythran from Ultima 8, and Dot Warner's references to the Shattered Obelisk seems to support that theory. And it could be really interesting if elements of that were going to show up across the board. But given the lack of focus on any real story from the developer-level, it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt here. Just look at the Eodon story and the way it suddenly stopped once things shifted from the Kotl drop system to the revamped Doom drop system.

    It sucks, and that's sort of the purpose behind complaining that any "official fiction" should apply to all equally, though I hope it's clear who the complaint is about -- it's not about EM Malachi or GL.
     
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    I don't think anyone is complaining about the fiction, or even the potential for contradiction between shards. It's Ultima, where there's a nearly 40 year history of tradition of contradicting lore. And it's Ultima Online, where every shard has developed differently and it would be impossible for each to reconcile stuff. Hell, I was one of the worst offenders of being a lore elitist in the late 90s and early 2000s on Catskills, but these days I'm not going to bust someone's chops for contradicting some piece of lore about a city from 1998 that probably only I remember. I'm mostly content just having people to interact and tell stories with. But when something is released as official global fiction, it should apply to all shards equally. I don't want to just dismiss someone as "Bob the Blacksmith" or a random character. Especially when it's a semi-important Ultima figure like I'm assuming that story references. So again, it's not a slight towards your EM or your shard or the fiction itself.
     
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    The man in the house, at least on GL, is indeed Mythran. The EMs recreated the Ethereal Void from Ultima Underworld II for their arcs over the last year or so. His house is linked to it.

    They also created Balema, the homeworld of Gorn (and where The Quest and Ring Quest games took place) for an arc a few months ago.

    They also took players to the other worlds from Underworld II, created the gargoyle's domed city of Ambrosia, and crafted a version of Dawn (the city).

    Dawn, the Void and Balema are still accessible.
     
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    Uhm.. no. That's shard-specific fiction, it just has a similar theme. What is on uo,com is game-wide metafiction. The Here be Dragons story used elements directly from current GL lore and events (Mirendel, the shattered obelisk and the man in the floating house) along with shared metafiction characters.
     
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    Well.... I guess my thoughts are why should anything effect all the shards anymore? It's been YEARS since the shattering and all the shards have become their own entities... so what sort of insanity would have to occur to make all the shards have the exact same fiction?
     
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    Well, in theory I agree with you, but in reality, pretty much the timing of all the expansions from The Second Age to Time of Legends and all the game-wide big arcs have occurred around the same time on every shard. Obviously, the reasons for this aren't due to in-character/lore considerations, but they all still happened around the same time on almost every shard.
     
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    There has been a general move toward implementing the lore of the solo-Ultima series into the shards (hence dinosaurs) and bringing that into the game is something I seriously look forward to.
    Perhaps they are testing the arc over there on GL for implementation Soon™ to other shards....

    An ongoing arc which integrates shard-relevant lore would be even better. Takes creativity on behalf of the EM though and the EM really needs to know the shard(s) s/he works on.

    Of course, that was a pipe dream of mine back years ago. Has since been "shattered" like our shards. *shrug*
     
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    Yeah, I do enjoy seeing elements from the Ultima games as well, though I think there have been varying degrees of success. For example, I loved the Savage Empire single player game, but I didn't love the incorporation of Eodon into UO and feel like the logic behind its presence is sort of weak. Maybe there are some limits on how much Broadsword can exploit the Ultima IP that we're not privy to, but I also wish we'd see the development of something new. Or real world change.

    I like your idea for using EMs. I agree, and it might take some planning, but I think broadly-plotted game-wide arcs can allow the EM some creativity and leeway for their specific shard implementation. In the distant past, I know things seemed to work this way, but I think it's also different now because the EM system serves two sometimes contradictory functions (story-telling and item drops), and with the addition of the PEC, the dynamics between an EM and their community have also been changed.
     
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    I see nothing in there that can't apply to all shards equally, so I again find myself at a loss as to what you are fretting over.

    I've pointed out in another post, above, how two of the characters in that post are from previous, game-wide fiction. The young dragon thingie originated on GL but, again, there's no reason she can't be just a random background character from a story-line, and, no, that's not dismissing a character, it's pointing out that this wouldn't be the first bit of official fiction to use a random character to describe something. To go way back: Remember the random beggar from Trinsic who was involved in one Solen-related fictional post? He survived the fiction but we never heard from him again. How about the random noble of Magincia whose drunken, womanizing ways were used as a symbol of what the city had become, just before the demons smashed it.

    Let's see what else is in that post. A floating house. Well I'll take Dot's word that there was a floating house in GL, someplace, other than the time we entered the dancing hut of Baba Yaga (yes you read that right). But I don't recall it. I must point out, though, that Lord British also was floating someplace in the Ethereal Void, guarding an artifact from Minax, and he has to live someplace. (Honestly that's where my mind went when I read those lines. Largely because I think that was the lamest excuse, ever, for the fact that Ultima can't use Lord British. It reminded me of that weird Star Trek episode where the dude fought the antimatter version of himself and had to remain locked in a separate plane of existence, fighting himself for all eternity.)

    The Silver Gate: referred to in game-wife fiction in 2015. The Silver Gate – Ultima Online Yes that fiction is by EM Malachi but I submit that doesn't make it GL-specific. I recall no complaints about that at the time. Isn't that gate also part of Ultima lore?

    The Plane of the Shattered Obelisk: never heard of this one. Google shows one UO-related reference, that being this fiction. Indeed using that as an exact phrase search in Google brings up....This fiction.

    The Kotl, the Crimson Dragons, and the Platinum Dragons, all are part of the broader game, by definition. So, umm....What are we talking about again, exactly? I'm confused.

    -John's player
     
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    PS: While I could be wrong, easily, I honestly thought this fiction was just an excuse for tame-ables based on Crimsons and Platinums. It hadn't occurred to me this would be part of the storyline/invasions.
    -John's player
     
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    Agreed. I love the EM events and other one-time events but it's immensely depressing to me when there's a storyline that uses them exclusively.

    -John's player
     
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    The problem isn't that things can't be applied to all shards equally, it's that they're not. As a GL player, you have content that reflects this game-wide fiction, as a Catskills player, I don't. Where's my Mythran? Where's my Shattered Obelisk? They're appearing right there in the "official" fiction. But again, my issue isn't with EM Malachi or GL, it's with how game-wide fiction is implemented in general. And it isn't about whether something is "Ultima" enough or not, all UO fiction shouldn't need to be Ultima Prime-sourced. I'm more than happy with new stuff.

    While the Silver Gate/ToL fiction was shard-wide, it was based in lore that EM Malachi originated on GL. Maybe the GL version of the associated events were a lot of fun, but I don't think they were as smooth or enjoyable on every shard. And part of that is probably because Malachi was slowly been building up his theory linking the facets to the lost continents from Ultima I on GL, while on other shards, it came out of nowhere. (And yes, I know that Tokuno was previously established as being the Land of the Feudal Lords, but the ToL fiction retconned that as well, at least in terms of when that continent became Asian-themed).

    On the chance that Here Be Dragons is really the launch of some upcoming shard-wide story-line, then a number of my complaints are erroneous I read it as the re-introduction of the dragon stuff, in the same way that there were introductory stories for Lasher and Windrunner, with a bunch of GL references thrown in. However, if it is the start of something new and big, I hope it isn't implemented in the same manner of the ToL events. But that's a top-level issue, not a specific EM one.

    As for your theory regarding Lord British, really? Everyone knows he's not in the Ethereal Void, he's hanging out over in Novia, selling his blood for cash ...
     
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    Hopefully spells can be cast within the city-limits if there are invasions...
     
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    Really looking forward to the old school town invasion and have been working up a variety of pets with AoE's for the massive mobs. I hope there will be a sufficient reward system in place for such an event to encourage participation in pushing back the hordes for days/weeks on end. I know from past events of this type people can give up on clearing cities after a few days due to the endless quantity of low level creatures. To me it would be awesome to see a ToT type system with items you can only get during the 20th anniversary. But I have faith from the way things have been stated that it will as least be interesting.
     
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    I capably have demonstrated that the fiction is not GL-specific. Here's a summary.

    1. Of the three characters I note in the fiction (Krett; baby dragon; adult dragon) only one (the baby dragon) even originated on GL. (See links in a previous post.)
    2. As I previously have noted, I'm taking Dot's word on there being a floating house on GL, but whatever it was I (a constant attender of GL events) didn't even think of anything GL-specicic when I saw that. I've honestly told you where my mind went when I read that, and it was anything on GL. (Feel free to scoff at it, I honestly don't care...It's what my mind went to.)
    3. As I also previously have noted, I recall no reference on GL to the Plane that was referenced in the fiction.
    4. I have demonstrated that the Silver Gate is part of official fiction. The fact that our EM write that fiction is beyond irrelevant to it being official fiction or not. (If we as players could decide what fiction was and was not official, this fiction would not be on a list of things I'd erase.)

    Let's say I can think of something like the Plane and the something like House on GL: Who's to say the references actually were to those, just because the references could fit. I remember one of the informal rules of being a dungeon master in D&D was that not every prophecy had to be fulfilled. Some were just there to make players think a little too much, to read too much into their own actions. Also anyone remember the end of the second Percy Jackson movie? Was the prophecy fulfilled in that movie or not? Who knows?

    Here's an example from GL. We once encountered a message from the future that read in part: "Demons of an unknown type attacked our cuties." Think of how many times this "prophecy" (for want of a more appropriate term) has been fulfilled, in one form or another, in GL or on many shards. To which of these was the prophecy a reference?

    I've met the test of logic here. The fiction is not GL-specific, and, realistically, you have nothing to fret over. I can't stop you from fretting anyway but I continue to post as a service to other readers who may be drawn in.

    -John's player
     
  43. Dot_Warner

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    @John Knighthawke I'm a little concerned regarding your memory, especially since you were at the obelisk so recently...

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    The floating house is just a short walk to the north west...

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    Walking onto the steps takes you "inside" where you can find a certain mage...

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    The fairly large Void area is a mix of Ultima Underworld II and Ultima VIII, though has seen minor elements of others as well.
     
  44. Judas D'arc

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    I don't think my position on this is so toxic as to require a public service to protect people from being drawn into it, especially in the grand scheme of any and all things that are toxic about UO, and I'm clearly not the only person in this thread who takes issue with how the game-wide fiction is implemented. I also feel like you're stuck on arguing whether or not this is GL specific fiction, rather than the bigger issue being raised here. Dot Warner's post has pretty much demonstrated that those references actually were to GL specific fiction, so your suggestion that they could just as easily be something else and the implication that I'm reaching doesn't seem to hold.

    And as I said before, if these elements are part of what's coming for the 20th, I'm more than happy to be wrong about this. I just hope they're introduced equally and just as smoothly for every shard.