[Parry] Please help, do I need a combat skill!!!!!!!??

[Dan123The123Man]

Ok i've been told from a lot of people that I need a combat skill in order for parry to be affective... When I checked out the calculator at:
UO Stratics - Parrying


it said that with 120 parry and 80 dex:

Chance of blocking with a shield: 35%
Chance of blocking with a 1-handed weapon: 20%
Chance of blocking with a 2-handed weapon: 20%


does that mean though that without a combat skill and just using a shield no weapon i'll block 35% of the time with 120 parry and 80 dex and with a combat skill with a one handed weapon and shield on i'll block 55% of the time? I'm trying to get down to teh bottom of this because ppl are making it seem pointless to have unless you have the combat skill, isn't 35% block better then nothing at all? I dont know though if the formula is correct,or what the actual block percentage is without having a combat skill and having 120 parry 80 dex using just a shield and no bushido either.

 

[Zalan]

PvM? or PvP?

If its PvP get a weapon skill or wrestling. If its PvM you can use a Use Magery Weapon. It will use your magery as a weapon skill. Except for a few artifacts there is normally a Magery Penality to the weapon.

If your a mage that has Eval & Anatomy it will act like wrestling, but only defensively.

At 80 Dex & 120 Parry yes there is 35% chance to Block the hit.

When a weapon comes into play its your weapon skill vs the monster or players skill. If you both have say 100 Sword & 100 Mace. You have a chance to block the attacker by 50%. If you have parry there is a 35% chance to block at 120 parry/80 dex if the monster/player gets past your weapons check. Those are 2 different checks.

The 20% you see is if you don`t have a shield & only have a weapon.

 

[Dan123The123Man]

PvM? or PvP?

If its PvP get a weapon skill or wrestling. If its PvM you can use a Use Magery Weapon. It will use your magery as a weapon skill. Except for a few artifacts there is normally a Magery Penality to the weapon.

If your a mage that has Eval & Anatomy it will act like wrestling, but only defensively.

At 80 Dex & 120 Parry yes there is 35% chance to Block the hit.

When a weapon comes into play its your weapon skill vs the monster or players skill. If you both have say 100 Sword & 100 Mace. You have a chance to block the attacker by 50%. If you have parry there is a 35% chance to block at 120 parry/80 dex if the monster/player gets past your weapons check. Those are 2 different checks.

The 20% you see is if you don`t have a shield & only have a weapon.

So are you saying that without a wep skill or weapon if I only have 80 dex 120 parry ill block 35% of the time..


AND

If I have 120 Parry 80 dex AND a combat skill or mage weapon i'll block 50% of the time? Im kind of confused, lemme know if thats right... This would be for PvP


Are you saying that with a weapon skill 120 parry 80 dex you have 50% + 35% making a total of 85% chance to block?

 

[Zalan]

It scales depending on skill. If you have 100 weapon skill & the person your fighting has 120. The person with 120 has a better chance to hit you.

Yes with just 120 parry/Dex you only have 35% chance to block.

Are you saying that with a weapon skill 120 parry 80 dex you have 50% + 35% making a total of 85% chance to block?

No. The combat sequence goese through two checks first it checks your weapon skill example: 50% chance to block. Say you get hit on that check. Then there is a second check of 35% chance to block. You score a 20% on the roll, so you block the hit.

Mage weapon doese the same as above but it uses your magery skill instead of weapon skill. However if the mage weapon is -29 magery & you have 110 Magery. Your combat skill would be 81. Magery weapons are figured as Magery skill -Magery penality= Combat Skill.

 

[Dan123The123Man]

It scales depending on skill. If you have 100 weapon skill & the person your fighting has 120. The person with 120 has a better chance to hit you.

Yes with just 120 parry/Dex you only have 35% chance to block.

Are you saying that with a weapon skill 120 parry 80 dex you have 50% + 35% making a total of 85% chance to block?

No. The combat sequence goese through two checks first it checks your weapon skill example: 50% chance to block. Say you get hit on that check. Then there is a second check of 35% chance to block. You score a 20% on the roll, so you block the hit.

Mage weapon doese the same as above but it uses your magery skill instead of weapon skill. However if the mage weapon is -29 magery & you have 110 Magery. Your combat skill would be 81. Magery weapons are figured as Magery skill -Magery penality= Combat Skill.

The reason im asking is because i want to go with Mystic Parry mage but i wont have a combat skill in the template:

120 mage
120 eval
120 focus
120 mystic
120 parry


Will the template still be affective if ive got enough stats for the 80 dex, or is it a wasted skill? I play on a shard with a lot of dexers. All I would use is a shield and no wep.

 

[Zalan]

Without Resist Spells you will get eaten alive. Para, Poison, Sleep, Spell Plague, Mana Vamp, & some necro spells will kill you. This is once they find out you don`t have it.

A mage weapon will work, untill someone disarms you. However, if you have a weapon skill you can still be disarmed. There is only two options to avoid being disarmed that is either wrestling or eval & anatomy. With wrestling you get two special moves.

 

[Dan123The123Man]

Without Resist Spells you will get eaten alive. Para, Poison, Sleep, Spell Plague, Mana Vamp, & some necro spells will kill you. This is once they find out you don`t have it.

A mage weapon will work, untill someone disarms you. However, if you have a weapon skill you can still be disarmed. There is only two options to avoid being disarmed that is either wrestling or eval & anatomy. With wrestling you get two special moves.

Sorry I ment this template:

120 Magery
120 Eval
120 Parry
120 Focus
120 Mystic
120 Resist


I wont have a mage wep or any wep though but ill have 80 dex with the 120 parry... I dont know how affective it'll be though, ill have 20 MR so im not worried about med, and ill have 130+ Hp and Intel blessed no pots.

 

[Immortal81]

I would drop parry cause i think its waste.

The problem is as follows:

If you dont have any weaponskill or wrestling an opposing dexxer has 100% chance to hit you (without any dci and hci). lets say he swings 10 times on you then 35% of this swings will be blocked. so he hits you about six or seven times.

if you got a weapon skill on 120 oposing his 120 he only hits you 50% of the swings, thats 5 swings. 35% of this 5 swings will then be blocked so he only hits you three or four times.

i would exchange parry for wrestling because you only got hit 50% at 120 thats more reliable than the 35% blochchance of parry. second you can use the wrestling special moves like disarm. Or go with a mage weapon. but you need to raise the -20 magery through your jewelery back to 120 otherwise you only got 100 magery and therefore only 100 defense-weaponskill.

I think thats much better than only parry.

Greetings Immortal

 

[NickyDishes]

u need to use items so u can lower some of those skills to fit 100 anatomy in cause u already have 120 eval...... and ive been pretty sucessful with just gm parry......at gm u have 30% chance and only 5% more at 120 correct? u must have 80 dex but this can be done easily with dex incease items.....ive had 51 dex and with 50 ep, pots, and items ive reached 80 dex(with a curse).