My turn to rant. PvP template...

[kelmo]

I can not tell you how many times I have read and heard that hiding and stealth ruined PvP. I take Stealth and Ninja off of my template and ruined my template. Mana costs are crippling me.

"The Mana Cost of each special move can be reduced if the warrior's skills are high enough. Add up the skill points for Swords, Mace Fighting, Fencing, Archery, Parrying, Lumberjacking, Stealth, Poisoning, Bushido and Ninjitsu. If the total lies between 200 and 299, subtract 5 from the Mana Cost. If the total is 300 or more, subtract 10 from the Mana Cost."

Stealth? Poisoning and Lumberjacking? Are ya kidding me? But not healing or chivalry... Expect me to be a stealth archer again soon if I can not figure something out.
/End Rant.

 

[Hunter Perilous]

I'm having the same issue with mana.
Even with 80 focus. 4 seconds, manas gone. Takes forever to refill.(pvp time)
I'm thinking weapon with high mana leach is the only way to go.
I dunno.

 

[Critical Gaming]

The lower mana requirements are really out-dated but are still in effect.

On my archer I use 90 ninja and 90 bushido paired with 120 archery to achieve the 300 skill points. Confidence is really nice for on-the-run healing and complements bandages/potions very well, and ninjitsu is nice for mirror imaging while on foot and animal forming away.

 

[kelmo]

I never really messed with bushido... I may give it a try.

 

[Critical Gaming]

Yeah I was able to gather an additional 20 skill points on my suit on atlantic so I decided to go with 110 bushido and use a level 3 bushido mastery. The confidence heals are really, really great plus I can honor monsters and get perfection, so it's great in PvM and PvP.

 

[Max Blackoak]

one of the reasons I wouldn't mind seeing tactics added to that list...

 

[Max Blackoak]

and/or magic resist

 

[Hunter Perilous]

Does anatomy count towards that 300 points?

 

[DJAd]

Does anatomy count towards that 300 points?

no.

 

[Hunter Perilous]

one of the reasons I wouldn't mind seeing tactics added to that list...

I'm surprised it's not. Focus, anatomy and chivalry seems logical as well.
Poisoning? Stealth?

 

[kelmo]

Does anyone still use lumberjacking in a PvP template? @Bleak Maybe this list could be looked at in the future?

 

[Drakelord]

Does anyone still use lumberjacking in a PvP template? @Bleak Maybe this list could be looked at in the future?

Over on another shard

 

[Lord Frodo]

Does anyone still use lumberjacking in a PvP template? @Bleak Maybe this list could be looked at in the future?

Is it even used in a PvM Template?

 

[Max Blackoak]

some people like to use lumberjacking in pvm templates to increase damage output on some paladin templates

 

[Max Blackoak]

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Over on another shard

I doubt you really pvp with that char though, or are you?

 

[Rizarium]

I have most skills stoned at 2 to 3 levels. Its a pain, but it gives you the numbers you need.

 

[Lord Frodo]

some people like to use lumberjacking in pvm templates to increase damage output on some paladin templates

Lumberjacks receive a Damage Increase when they wield certain weapons. The formula is Lumberjack skill ÷ 5 (plus 10% if Lumberjacking is equal to or greater than 100). At GM Lumberjacking, there is a 10% chance for a Lumberjacking damage bonus of 100% from base weapon damage. The max Base Damage is 20 and with all the mods on suits I can't see wasting 100 skill points for an extra 20 damage. When LJ first came out yes it was worth it but now I can't see it.

 

[Drakelord]

I doubt you really pvp with that char though, or are you?

Since returning in 2015 he has been sitting on that shard. PvP is dead there. I'm not old enough to get shard transfer tokens and being on a fixed income I am forced to count my dollars and cents when it comes to game purchases, the char is on an account that owns that Keep, the Keep was a gift from King David of PAS when my wife and I returned. We were gone from 2008-2015, but back in the hay day, he was pretty good. He was the jousting champ in OTE (A guild long since gone from this world). Fought the [ExE] another guild that has almost vanished off the shard. I sometimes see old members of them late night. The only PvPers I have seen since returning was Waka, I think Paul could take them, my tamer dies too quick at Fel Champ spawns when they ride in, he is mainly PvM where Paul was PvP.

 

[Max Blackoak]

Lumberjacks receive a Damage Increase when they wield certain weapons. The formula is Lumberjack skill ÷ 5 (plus 10% if Lumberjacking is equal to or greater than 100). At GM Lumberjacking, there is a 10% chance for a Lumberjacking damage bonus of 100% from base weapon damage. The max Base Damage is 20 and with all the mods on suits I can't see wasting 100 skill points for an extra 20 damage. When LJ first came out yes it was worth it but now I can't see it.

go read the warrior's forum, there are people who use lumberjacking on their template for peerless bosses like lady mel, or the blackthorn captains. I never did myself, but people do...

 

[Sargatanza]

I can not tell you how many times I have read and heard that hiding and stealth ruined PvP. I take Stealth and Ninja off of my template and ruined my template. Mana costs are crippling me.

"The Mana Cost of each special move can be reduced if the warrior's skills are high enough. Add up the skill points for Swords, Mace Fighting, Fencing, Archery, Parrying, Lumberjacking, Stealth, Poisoning, Bushido and Ninjitsu. If the total lies between 200 and 299, subtract 5 from the Mana Cost. If the total is 300 or more, subtract 10 from the Mana Cost."

Stealth? Poisoning and Lumberjacking? Are ya kidding me? But not healing or chivalry... Expect me to be a stealth archer again soon if I can not figure something out.
/End Rant.

 

[cazador]

Lumberjacks receive a Damage Increase when they wield certain weapons. The formula is Lumberjack skill ÷ 5 (plus 10% if Lumberjacking is equal to or greater than 100). At GM Lumberjacking, there is a 10% chance for a Lumberjacking damage bonus of 100% from base weapon damage. The max Base Damage is 20 and with all the mods on suits I can't see wasting 100 skill points for an extra 20 damage. When LJ first came out yes it was worth it but now I can't see it.

The extra 10% damage bonus is a big difference in PvP when using a 100% Poison ornate axe for instance. The problem is it's such a low percentage the skill investment versus practicality it doesn't really make sense. However for PvM with the right setup LJ+Swords Double Axe Onslaught and cameos it literally gives you max damage 160-210 per hit with double strike. That's 160-420 total. So it's worth it in that regard. Especially when you can use double slayers and get the 300% without any other items or spells. Long story short..I haven't found a template using it that I like using. I personally prefer using a bladed staff and AI and not over complicating my macros.


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[Sargatanza]

The extra 10% damage bonus is a big difference in PvP when using a 100% Poison ornate axe for instance. The problem is it's such a low percentage the skill investment versus practicality it doesn't really make sense. However for PvM with the right setup LJ+Swords Double Axe Onslaught and cameos it literally gives you max damage 160-210 per hit with double strike. That's 160-420 total. So it's worth it in that regard. Especially when you can use double slayers and get the 300% without any other items or spells. Long story short..I haven't found a template using it that I like using. I personally prefer using a bladed staff and AI and not over complicating my macros.


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Har!