LOL. I like how all CC users are considered cheaters by EC
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I think more the EC User dont understand why people play with a by them called huge disandvantage and instead of trying to get "even" they only complain about nearly 10 year old ****.
So the conclusion is near that is has to do with "Tools"
So the conclusion is near that is has to do with "Tools"
are you saying that I use 3rd party programs?
Lol i expected that someone feels offended.
No one is saying anything. Only that maybe some people do not understand why someone is playing old crap without having any benefit from it beside nostalgia and then complain about it.
No one is saying anything. Only that maybe some people do not understand why someone is playing old crap without having any benefit from it beside nostalgia and then complain about it.
I say there are too many people oblivious as to what the issues are.
No one said you'd change your suit with every action, if you carry 2-3 suits you could literally have the BEST Possible defense/offense for any anticipated situation you'd be in. it would benefit players that can pay attention to their surroundings more than the average pvper.
It's been in the game for almost 7 years now, sure... global-loot has been in the game for less than 2 years. (This effects it more than you'd think)
like many things in UO, one thing is affected by many seemingly completely unrelated things...
The more skill points and properties they add to items, the better this feature, imbalance, or advantage (whatever you want to call it) gets.
That is why I want it fixed/Balanced, just because people aren't abusing much now, doesn't mean it's not Over-Powered or Game-Breaking.
Look at Holyfist, no one used it until 2-3 months after the mastery was even out. 3-4 months after release it was discovered to be "overpowered", and it was fixed. (I'm not saying I like the way it was fixed), but it's now better balanced with the rest of the game, is it not?
And even IF you would use this Kind of programs i dont give a ratsass about it as I don't have this Problem to switch a suit.
What is Kind of funny in the end is that you obviousely don't even use assist. So you not even use the allowed App to improve your old stuff
What is Kind of funny in the end is that you obviousely don't even use assist. So you not even use the allowed App to improve your old stuff
Sorry to disappoint you but I'm a CC user and I don't use "tools" as you claim.
Well iam not dissapointed. All good
Maybe it would be more produktive to give the EC a try. Or do you fear you like it?
Maybe it would be more produktive to give the EC a try. Or do you fear you like it?
That's interesting, I certainly haven't heard of any. There are some nice legal mods for the EC, but I've only heard vague rumours of illegal third party apps for the EC, and I've certainly seen no evidence of it in game.
I did try it. But unfortunately, I really can't stand the awful horrific graphics that give me motion sickness. The way the characters look on screen is just all wrong. And I think the paperdoll is really important since it represents your avatar and shows what your character looks like, but that looks all wrong as well. I know its rendered in 3d, but it looks like something from Virtual Fighter 1 graphics. Makes me cringe.
I don't know why the Devs won't put CC graphics in the EC. I think that is something everyone can agree with. But they don't want to do that. Instead they create more work for themselves by having to support 2 clients.
But having said that, there still needs to a restriction on instant suit switching. In other games that allow you to swap gear instantly, there is usually some type of Cooldown involved.
A not so long cooldown (say, 15, 20 seconds top) would be acceptable but see... the current dev team push a cooldown of 60 minutes for an ability that lasts 10 seconds top (bushido warcry) and recently decreased it to "mere" 20 minutes, so I don't trust them when it comes to balancing cooldown timers.
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that suit switching should be inclusive equally to both clients.
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Bumping this b/c @Kyronix has time to chime in on some threads at the top (Difference in loot quality depends on the final shadowguard boss?) but not others.
@Bleak @Mesanna any input from you folks would be appreciated too.
@Bleak @Mesanna any input from you folks would be appreciated too.
We talked about this in a recent meet & greet. It's in our backlog for evaluation for a future publish. I answer questions, when, and where I can. You just happened to catch me on a day when my development shard is acting up and I'm doing a lot of waiting
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Your shard must be having a case of the monday's : (We talked about this in a recent meet & greet. It's in our backlog for evaluation for a future publish. I answer questions, when, and where I can. You just happened to catch me on a day when my development shard is acting up and I'm doing a lot of waiting
Anywho, thanks for the reply. Hope we can get a timer or something put on in pvp.
It never seizes to amaze me the intensity of the complaints about the graphics. Really, who plays an 18 year old game for the graphics?!! Face it, both clients look like crap by today's standards, but people keep coming back because of the game play and complexity. If visuals are so crucial to you, that you are willing to forego functionality, shouldn't you just play something released this century instead of endlessly complaining on the forums about the injustice of it all?
UO management has made so many strategic errors over the years, it's a wonder the game is still around. One of those mistakes was releasing an ugly and buggy client to replace CC. But with their traditional flair, they try to fix one mistake with an even worse one - keeping two clients around. It was stupid when it happened. It is plainly ridiculous now when there is literally a single person doing all the game related coding.
And now we have a vigilante posse of the devotees of the cult of "less horrible graphics" who would demand that this single dev drop everything and make their antique of a client as powerful as EC. Just because they cant be bothered to look at the graphics. Oh and if that's not possible (it's not), can the devs pretty please drag the sane portion of the player base down to the stone age level of functionality that CC is at by nerfing the EC?
Here's a parting thought - with today's limited resources you can either have "less horrible graphics" or functionality. You can chose. You can switch between them, but you cant have both at the same time just like you would not be playing a mage and a sampire on the same character. It's trade of and a choice available to you. There is nothing fair or unfair about it.
maybe we should start a poll on how many people like the EC graphics
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There should be no timer on suit switching for PVM or PVP. There may be an advantage to gain in certain circumstances, but that doesn't warrant nerfing it either. If you're a purist for playing the CC without any third party programs, that's your choice - don't rain on the EC parade.
It's not broken, so don't put in an unnecessary fix.
It's not broken, so don't put in an unnecessary fix.
I disagree, its perfectly ok, switch to EC.
Basically this whole thread is complaint after complaint of CC players not having the feature of EC to insta change.
Its 2016, not 1998, if the old client cannot give you the feature you are after, but the game you playing does have another client Ec which does, why not switch to it?
Its mentioned and you say you want them features, well go get them there are free to get, just download.
Having to inject CC more stuff, is like giving a terminally ill patient wanting to die, drugs to keep him alive, allow it to die!
As mentioned by someone earlier, they created EC with this feature intentionally or maybe they didnt, but the bottom line is use EC and take advantage of it.
Whining because you can get it on your client and nefing it, could damage the game in a whole.
A new player coming to this game wont donwload CC, will always try EC as they want more modern graphics, and EC although not the best gives more than CC.
I personally see more in the comments theres a problem also in the age gap of players now, the older want it all now without giving up the old ways and switching for the new.
Use both clients if it makes you happy, PVP in Ec and grind CC, its a game at the end of the day, does it matter if you kill your enemy them 2 seconds after??
Basically this whole thread is complaint after complaint of CC players not having the feature of EC to insta change.
Its 2016, not 1998, if the old client cannot give you the feature you are after, but the game you playing does have another client Ec which does, why not switch to it?
Its mentioned and you say you want them features, well go get them there are free to get, just download.
Having to inject CC more stuff, is like giving a terminally ill patient wanting to die, drugs to keep him alive, allow it to die!
As mentioned by someone earlier, they created EC with this feature intentionally or maybe they didnt, but the bottom line is use EC and take advantage of it.
Whining because you can get it on your client and nefing it, could damage the game in a whole.
A new player coming to this game wont donwload CC, will always try EC as they want more modern graphics, and EC although not the best gives more than CC.
I personally see more in the comments theres a problem also in the age gap of players now, the older want it all now without giving up the old ways and switching for the new.
Use both clients if it makes you happy, PVP in Ec and grind CC, its a game at the end of the day, does it matter if you kill your enemy them 2 seconds after??
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Seems to me that the answer has been posted many times already. If you want instant suit changing in CC use UOAssist. If you don't want to use third party programs to accomplish this than maybe you might want to consider EC instead. If you don't want EC or UOAssist and want to continue to use the CC well then your SOL. It's called CC for a reason, for all the Classic features <shrugs>
And using CC without UOAssist puts you at an instant disadvantage anyways. So bragging in the forums that you don't use third party programs just points to all the PK's who they should target first Just say'n...
For as long as UO has been around there has been UOAssist (pretty much) So complaining about using third party programs after this many years is moot.
One more thing. EC graphics do suck, and it is what prevents me from using the EC for general game play. Complaining about crappy graphics on an 18 year old game is pointless, except for the fact that we are complaining about a "updated" version of the game that is supposed to have better graphics than the old client and that has not been around for 18 years. I remember when you could only run in 4 directions in this game. To what it is now, EC Sucks for graphics, but functionality it's great.
And using CC without UOAssist puts you at an instant disadvantage anyways. So bragging in the forums that you don't use third party programs just points to all the PK's who they should target first
Just say'n...For as long as UO has been around there has been UOAssist (pretty much) So complaining about using third party programs after this many years is moot.
One more thing. EC graphics do suck, and it is what prevents me from using the EC for general game play. Complaining about crappy graphics on an 18 year old game is pointless, except for the fact that we are complaining about a "updated" version of the game that is supposed to have better graphics than the old client and that has not been around for 18 years. I remember when you could only run in 4 directions in this game. To what it is now, EC Sucks for graphics, but functionality it's great.
Of course it was deliberate. You can't design a choice like that by accident
My only complaint about the EC is the designers deliberately crippled it in many ways to keep it from being too much better than the CC, and that was the big disagreement between the main team and Pinco
I'll take functionality every time. Just switch to CC when you're walking around your house admiring your rares and use EC when you need to get things done
If it is an intended function of the client, the devs just need to come out and say it.
If it is an accidental function of the client, then the devs just need to come out and say it.
Then again, with the overwhelming history of lack of effective and efficient communication, it doesn't surprise me that nothing has been said.
If it is an accidental function of the client, then the devs just need to come out and say it.
Then again, with the overwhelming history of lack of effective and efficient communication, it doesn't surprise me that nothing has been said.
I suspect the best route for any functionality changes would be to contact Tugsoft and have them change it on UOassist.
I don't expect any functionality or bug fixes to be done any time soon with the size of their back log.
They have already said they will "continue support" for the CC but "making a majority of improvements to the EC". So yeah I agree. Don't hold your breath for this coming to the CC.
How is that larger gameplay window coming along for the CC btw?
The gameplay window isn't a big deal, I just use UOCartographer.They have already said they will "continue support" for the CC but "making a majority of improvements to the EC". So yeah I agree. Don't hold your breath for this coming to the CC.
How is that larger gameplay window coming along for the CC btw?
Regardless, I'm pretty sure no one expects any changes to the client any time soon.(Never)
Somehow I came across this and realized it is from 2106.They have already said they will "continue support" for the CC but "making a majority of improvements to the EC". So yeah I agree. Don't hold your breath for this coming to the CC.
How is that larger gameplay window coming along for the CC btw?
FYI, the larger gameplay window is AWESOME! ROFL
There are PvPers that don't use the programs you mention. We refer to your PvPers as "trash" and "losers".As if PVPers would play this game without Razor/Steam.
Please
Aye, at least they actually implemented something like they said they would even though it took an age! Now, wheres is the new account management....Somehow I came across this and realized it is from 2106.
FYI, the larger gameplay window is AWESOME! ROFL
I know right! A "new" account management really scares me though. Just look at what has happened lately when they "add" stuff. It's more like, 1 fix/add=3 NEW bugsAye, at least they actually implemented something like they said they would even though it took an age! Now, wheres is the new account management....
I have serious doubts Mesanna + Team would be able to pull an account management for a global playerbase. When they added the ingame store they basically gave a middle finger in regards to prices to a lot of countries. I don't think Mesanna did it on purpose, I think it's rather she never thought of those players outside the US. Her scope seems to be very limited there.I know right! A "new" account management really scares me though. Just look at what has happened lately when they "add" stuff. It's more like, 1 fix/add=3 NEW bugs
Just look at search.uo.com. For everyone with a bit of web-development knowledge it is rather obvious no experienced person did this.
I am very confident that an account management by Broadsword would be even worse than what we have now.
E: I gave search.uo.com a second look to re-assure my statement above, couldn't proof my point better:
Good luck to all the optimists!
But applying a bandage or drinking a potion in a glass bottle during a battle is realistic? It is a game.
E: I gave search.uo.com a second look to re-assure my statement above, couldn't proof my point better:
Good luck to all the optimists!
I think yeah it should be allowed, its a feature in the client so why not use it, if it has not restrictions, use EC if you want the same advantages
Some people are just unable to play the 3d client, so should they suffer an inferior game because you feel everything is hunky dory since you can use the EC? They pay for the same game you do...shouldn't they get the same benefits from it that you pay for? Rhetorical...if you feel need for rebuttal, you are still looking at things in black and white.
@Mesanna, this issue could have been handled years back with a revamp to UOA. If you take the time to contact Tugsoft to request a rewrite for the 20th anniversary, I am more than certain they would modernize the application for the event. (Tugsoft already stated they would like to do a rewrite...but no one has yet lit a fire under their rear to get the ball rolling.)
Tugsoft could remedy this whole issue by revamping UOA. I wish I could use EC, unfortunately I can't. But go ahead and rub it in for those of us unable to use it.They have already said they will "continue support" for the CC but "making a majority of improvements to the EC". So yeah I agree. Don't hold your breath for this coming to the CC.
How is that larger gameplay window coming along for the CC btw?
Some of us are unable to use the CC...
For me the CC won't hardly play on my machine it's almost like being back on dial up... move stop move stop move stop..
And glitchy as all get out everything that moves in the CC leaves a trail of black blobs all over the screen...
For me the CC won't hardly play on my machine it's almost like being back on dial up... move stop move stop move stop..
And glitchy as all get out everything that moves in the CC leaves a trail of black blobs all over the screen...
"Fixing" EC by removing the suit change function would immediately introduce a new problem. Now EC players will be at a disadvantage compared to CC players with UOAssist. And unlike CC users, in EC there is no option for a third party tool.
I use a suit to rez people during combat that boost magery as I only use as secondary skill to taming. It only varies by a few pieces but allows me to get magery high enough to rez without fizzing. If I was unable to do this during combat it could make the roof unbearable. Also the thought of getting a rez and getting targeted by a rat that puts me in combat thus disallowing me to equip a suit could be unappealing as well. It could really cramp a lot of peoples play and get old real quick.
Hang on... by who?
You play Europa, who do you think is suit/EC/item swapping to use corpse skin?
I would assume a lot of people are taking advantage of this.
CC should of been stopped long ago, The dev team has been way to weak with the player base, like in any other game, the Dev team has the last word but seems enough people complained and they kept it going. For example and I know its not the most accurate but I will use it, WOW, each time they bring a new client, the old one automatically gets made redundant, basically if you wanna play this game that you really love, then you will make some effort to modernise yourself and learn to use the new system. CC is only catering for a few people, I am sure if everyone was forced onto EC, within a few months they would know how to use it and it would be the end of the problem. Now I know people will say, ''Well my PC cant hack it''...... well any standard PC from any PC shop costing you 150USD-200USD or less can run EC..... I know this is a hard point, but we cannot be catering for people who dont buy new technology, I dont care the age you are, I am sure you have bought new electrical equipment for your house, or even use a Smartphone, why dont you go get your Nokia 3210 back out the shelve.... and use it as a phone??? Cause you have decided to modernise yourself, same thing should happen with UO, especially when we reaching the 20 year mark, they should just say Goodluck and thanks for supporting CC, but its way to old, time for new system to come in, adapt or die, like in Real life!
Wasn't Pincos at one time an illegal app? Just because you may not know of any doesn't mean there aren't any. UO assist was illegal at one time and I believe it was legalized only after certain certain things were taken out of it. Im all for people using Pincos but it shouldn't have "featurers" that should not be in game. Insta suit swapping should not be in the game. Just because things are available in EC doesnt mean they should not be balanced.