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FaceBook~ New level of Stalking/Harrassing?

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Purdy

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Yes it says 'generally allow you'.

I agree, if they find a child molester they can put that in their profile to protect children.

Just wondering what else they could legally put there and what if its not true. Just because they find a newspaper article about you doesn't mean it's true. I just don't like a website telling me they will search the web for info about me.
 
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Niki have you read Facebooks privacy agreement. This is some of it:


We may use information about you that we collect from other sources, including but not limited to newspapers and Internet sources such as blogs, instant messaging services, Facebook Platform developers and other users of Facebook, to supplement your profile. Where such information is used, we generally allow you to specify in your privacy settings that you do not want this to be done or to take other actions that limit the connection of this information to your profile (e.g., removing photo tag links).


Facebook searches the web gathering up info about you and they have the right to put that in your profile. So maybe they find something about you that's disturbing but not true, they can put that on your profile?

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Maybe so, but the bolded part tells me that when they find such information, you will be given the opportunity to block that info from being seen, so the only thing you'd need to do to combat that is to keep a daily check on it, and block any new info that is there from being seen. I'd imagine that they have a clause like this so that, hypothetically, if a person is a child molester and there is a newspaper article about it, FB can come in and flag that account with that information, to alert other people to the fact that this person is under investigation for same. That protects innocents (children) which to me is a good thing, and maybe if people think of it that way they'll see there's a good side to it too.

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The key phrase here is:
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With that little disclaimer they have reserved the "right" to deny *you* the right to remove information that they plant there. Further, the circumstances under which they can do that are unspecified, so they can use whatever reason they so choose.
Child molesters notwithstanding, if someone posts a vicious lie on a venue associated with Facebook, and they choose to include it in your profile, you have no option to prevent it, and possibly no chance to remove it.

Originally, I was just concerned about opt-in, opt-out. But the more I learn about Facebook, the more I am convinced that it is nobody's friend.
 
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Child molesters notwithstanding, if someone posts a vicious lie on a venue associated with Facebook, and they choose to include it in your profile, you have no option to prevent it, and possibly no chance to remove it.

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If the person can prove it wasn't/isn't true, then I would think the same laws that protect anybody against slander/libel would apply. This would require the person who is being slandered/libeled to retain a lawyer in order to fight it, but if the lie was consequential enough and not just menial crap that anybody with half a brain could tell wasn't true, then the person should be willing to do whatever it took to get that removed, I'd say.
 
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So far FB has not added anything to my page that I didnt intitiate.


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The point is; they could - and you couldn't do anything about it.
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Not long ago I saw an interview with the FB dude. From what he said it sounds like the level of info sharing would be like I see a hat advertised on a FB page and click on it and buy it.

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Read the privacy "agreement" - it has legal standing, unlike the interview with the FB dude. If push comes to shove, guess which one will take precedence.
Not to mention that *anything* he says has to be taken with a grain of salt - because he *is* the FB dude (has an FB agenda).
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E-mails are automatically listed on the FB page so to remove that I simply had to go to my options and select it to be private.

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Why doesn't it bother you that personal info like e-mail addys are set to automatically display? Wouldn't it be better if, instead of selecting them to be private, you had to select them to be public? Especially since hackers can track your RL identity through e-mail addys and IPs - which makes your false name and other false info an exercise in futility.
 
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Yep the email thing bothered me which is why I mentioned it.


True its the FB dude and is to be taken with a grain of salt, but just sayin what he said.

If somehow some bad thing about me wound up on my page that I couldnt get rid of I'd just close the page, or if it was no big deal I might make a funny joke about it and move on.
 
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Child molesters notwithstanding, if someone posts a vicious lie on a venue associated with Facebook, and they choose to include it in your profile, you have no option to prevent it, and possibly no chance to remove it.

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If the person can prove it wasn't/isn't true, then I would think the same laws that protect anybody against slander/libel would apply. This would require the person who is being slandered/libeled to retain a lawyer in order to fight it, but if the lie was consequential enough and not just menial crap that anybody with half a brain could tell wasn't true, then the person should be willing to do whatever it took to get that removed, I'd say.

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Read the privacy "agreement"! It's up to them what ultimately resides in your profile - you can't sue them if they are re-printing what somebody else wrote about you unless you can "prove" malice - or- at least, a gross disregard for the truth! Good luck with that!
Why, oh why, are people so damned intent on putting their security, safety, and financial lives at risk, when just a teensy bit of effort can prevent so much!
Is making those of us, who are trying to help, look like paranoid idiots more important than safeguarding yourselves???
I sincerely hope that none of you get burned due to your indifference, but the odds are not in your favor.
 
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Just jumping in to let everyone know there are 6 billion hand held pc's (cell phones) currently in operation in this world, and if you don't want to be found online, then don't play online. Don't have an email, don't use a social security card, don't get a driver's license, never be in the news, don't even own a phone or cable tv, then you can be free from the world wide web movement. Basically, with any online activities we have to either evolve and go with the flow or die to the world we live in. Me, I am evolving and Loving It!

We can now make sites where people can directly from my avatar find out what I stand for, it's a whole new world for me. Technology will save us, not kill us.
 
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Just jumping in to let everyone know there are 6 billion hand held pc's (cell phones) currently in operation in this world, and if you don't want to be found online, then don't play online. Don't have an email, don't use a social security card, don't get a driver's license, never be in the news, don't even own a phone or cable tv, then you can be free from the world wide web movement. Basically, with any online activities we have to either evolve and go with the flow or die to the world we live in. Me, I am evolving and Loving It!

We can now make sites where people can directly from my avatar find out what I stand for, it's a whole new world for me. Technology will save us, not kill us.

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Wow. That post is just..... wow, I am totally speechless.
 
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Just jumping in to let everyone know there are 6 billion hand held pc's (cell phones) currently in operation in this world, and if you don't want to be found online, then don't play online. Don't have an email, don't use a social security card, don't get a driver's license, never be in the news, don't even own a phone or cable tv, then you can be free from the world wide web movement. Basically, with any online activities we have to either evolve and go with the flow or die to the world we live in. Me, I am evolving and Loving It!

We can now make sites where people can directly from my avatar find out what I stand for, it's a whole new world for me. Technology will save us, not kill us.

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Sure, you're gonna die sooner or later anyway, so why bother eating, drinking and taking care of yourself? Just go with the flow.
Ain't nothin' like blind faith.
 
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Just jumping in to let everyone know there are 6 billion hand held pc's (cell phones) currently in operation in this world, and if you don't want to be found online, then don't play online. Don't have an email, don't use a social security card, don't get a driver's license, never be in the news, don't even own a phone or cable tv, then you can be free from the world wide web movement. Basically, with any online activities we have to either evolve and go with the flow or die to the world we live in. Me, I am evolving and Loving It!

We can now make sites where people can directly from my avatar find out what I stand for, it's a whole new world for me. Technology will save us, not kill us.

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You're exactly right...with the advent of each new piece of technology or gizmology, a new security risk comes along with it. People need to be smart, yes, but there's alot of difference between being smart and living in fear. If somebody wants a piece of information bad enough, they are gonna go after it, I don't care how *careful* a person is, and to me going above and beyond just being smart is just victimizing myself, which I refuse to do.
 
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Technology will save us, not kill us.


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I don't know which is worse - blanket statements like that, or the people who believe in them.
Currently in the world, there are enough nuclear weapons to wipe out 90% of all life on earth - and that is just what's in the hands of unstable governments. Add in the rest of the "Nuclear Family" and there is enough to destroy the planet about 20 times over.

*That* is technology, too.
 
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Technology will save us, not kill us.

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In a speech Josiah F. Bumstad spoke on the idea that technology will save us . . .

"The inventor of the system deserves to be
ranked among the best contributors to learning
and science, if not the greatest benefactors of mankind."
Josiah F. Bumstad

. . . on the benefits of the chalkboard

. . . in 1841.

Some think the cost of technology is high, but the cost of ignorance is greater.
 
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Catch-22
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Catch-22


Catch-22 is a satirical, historical novel by the American author Joseph Heller, first published in 1961.


Several themes flow into one another, for example, 'that the only way to survive such an insane system is to be insane oneself,'
 
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I don't really look at myself as the kind of person who craves attention, but I've never been to therapy so there's probably a lot of stuff about myself that I don't know.
Al Yankovic
 
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Technology will save us, not kill us.

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In a speech Josiah F. Bumstad spoke on the idea that technology will save us . . .

"The inventor of the system deserves to be
ranked among the best contributors to learning
and science, if not the greatest benefactors of mankind."
Josiah F. Bumstad

. . . on the benefits of the chalkboard

. . . in 1841.

Some think the cost of technology is high, but the cost of ignorance is greater.

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(AP) -- From iPods to navigation systems, some of today's hottest gadgets are landing on store shelves with some unwanted extras from the factory -- pre-installed viruses that steal passwords, open doors for hackers and make computers spew spam.


Computer users have been warned for years about virus threats from downloading Internet porn and opening suspicious e-mail attachments. Now they run the risk of picking up a digital infection just by plugging a new gizmo into their PCs.

Recent cases reviewed by The Associated Press include some of the most widely used tech devices: Apple iPods, digital picture frames sold by Target and Best Buy stores and TomTom navigation gear.

In most cases, Chinese factories -- where many companies have turned to keep prices low -- are the source.

So far, the virus problem appears to come from lax quality control -- perhaps a careless worker plugging an infected music player into a factory computer used for testing -- rather than organized sabotage by hackers or the Chinese factories.

It's the digital equivalent of the recent series of tainted products traced to China, including toxic toothpaste, poisonous pet food and toy trains coated in lead paint.

But sloppiness is the simplest explanation, not the only one.

If a virus is introduced at an earlier stage of production, by a corrupt employee or a hacker when software is uploaded to the gadget, then the problems could be far more serious and widespread.
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Knowing how many devices have been sold, or tracking the viruses with any precision, is impossible because of the secrecy kept by electronics makers and the companies they hire to build their products.

But given the nature of mass manufacturing, the numbers could be huge.

"It's like the old ****roach thing -- you flip the lights on in the kitchen and they run away," said Marcus Sachs, a former White House cybersecurity official who now runs the security research group SANS Internet Storm Center. "You think you've got just one ****roach? There's probably thousands more of those little boogers that you can't see."

Jerry Askew, a Los Angeles computer consultant, bought a new Uniek digital picture frame to surprise his 81-year-old mother for her birthday. But when he added family photos, it tried to unload a few surprises of its own.

When he plugged the frame into his Windows PC, his antivirus program alerted him to a threat. The $50 frame, built in China and bought at Target, was infected with four viruses, including one that steals passwords.

"You expect quality control coming out of the manufacturers," said Askew, 42. "You don't expect that sort of thing to be on there."

Security experts say the malicious software is apparently being loaded at the final stage of production, when gadgets are pulled from the assembly line and plugged in to a computer to make sure everything works.

If the testing computer is infected -- say, by a worker who used it to charge his own infected iPod -- the digital germ can spread to anything else that gets plugged in.

The recent infections may be accidental, but security experts say they point out an avenue of attack that could be exploited by hackers.

"We'll probably see a steady increase over time," said Zulfikar Ramzan, a computer security researcher at Symantec Corp. "The hackers are still in a bit of a testing period -- they're trying to figure out if it's really worth it."

Thousands of people whose antivirus software isn't up to date may have been infected by new products without even knowing it, experts warn. And even protective software may not be enough.

In one case, digital frames sold at Sam's Club contained a previously unknown bug that not only steals online gaming passwords but disables antivirus software, according to security researchers at CA Inc.

"It's like if you pick up a gun you've never seen before -- before you pull the trigger, you'd probably check the chamber," said Joe Telafici, vice president of operations of McAfee Avert Labs, the security software maker's threat-research arm.

"It's an extreme analogy, but it's the right idea. It's best to spend the extra 30 seconds to be sure than be wrong," he added.

Consumers can protect themselves from most factory-loaded infections by running an antivirus program and keeping it up to date. The software checks for known viruses and suspicious behaviors that indicate an attack by malicious code -- whether from a download or a gadget attached to the PC via USB cable.

The AP contacted some of the world's largest electronics manufacturers for details on how they guard against infections -- among them Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., which is based in Taiwan and has an iPod factory in China; Singapore-based Flextronics International Ltd.; and Taiwan-based Quanta Computer Inc. and Asustek Computer Inc. All declined comment or did not respond.

The companies whose products were infected in cases reviewed by AP refused to reveal details about the incidents. Of those that confirmed factory infections, all said they had corrected the problems and taken steps to prevent recurrences.

Apple disclosed the most information, saying the virus that infected a small number of video iPods in 2006 came from a PC used to test compatibility with the gadget's software.

Best Buy, the biggest consumer electronics outlet in the U.S., said it pulled its affected China-made frames from the shelves and took "corrective action" against its vendor. But the company declined repeated requests to provide details.

Sam's Club and Target say they are investigating complaints but have not been able to verify their frames were contaminated.

Legal experts say manufacturing infections could become a big headache for retailers that sell infected devices and the companies that make them, if customers can demonstrate they were harmed by the viruses.

"The photo situation is really a cautionary tale -- they were just lucky that the virus that got installed happened to be one that didn't do a lot of damage," said Cindy Cohn, legal director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "But there's nothing about that situation that means next time the virus won't be a more serious one."


So much for technology.

Open your eyes. Learn to recognize what is beneficial and what is harmful. Just being a technological advance does not make anything beneficial - it is how it is used.
 
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Yep the email thing bothered me which is why I mentioned it.


True its the FB dude and is to be taken with a grain of salt, but just sayin what he said.

If somehow some bad thing about me wound up on my page that I couldnt get rid of I'd just close the page, or if it was no big deal I might make a funny joke about it and move on.

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An article from the New York Times, from last month (Feb 2008):

How Sticky Is Membership on Facebook? Just Try Breaking Free
By MARIA ASPAN

Are you a member of Facebook.com? You may have a lifetime contract.

Some users have discovered that it is nearly impossible to remove themselves entirely from Facebook, setting off a fresh round of concern over the popular social network’s use of personal data.

While the Web site offers users the option to deactivate their accounts, Facebook servers keep copies of the information in those accounts indefinitely. Indeed, many users who have contacted Facebook to request that their accounts be deleted have not succeeded in erasing their records from the network.

“It’s like the Hotel California,” said Nipon Das, 34, a director at a biotechnology consulting firm in Manhattan, who tried unsuccessfully to delete his account this fall. “You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.”

It took Mr. Das about two months and several e-mail exchanges with Facebook’s customer service representatives to erase most of his information from the site, which finally occurred after he sent an e-mail threatening legal action. But even after that, a reporter was able to find Mr. Das’s empty profile on Facebook and successfully sent him an e-mail message through the network.

In response to difficulties faced by ex-Facebook members, a cottage industry of unofficial help pages devoted to escaping Facebook has sprung up online — both outside and inside the network.

“I thought it was kind of strange that they save your information without telling you in a really clear way,” said Magnus Wallin, a 26-year-old patent examiner in Stockholm who founded a Facebook group, “How to permanently delete your facebook account.” The group has almost 4,300 members and is steadily growing.

The technological hurdles set by Facebook have a business rationale: they allow ex-Facebookers who choose to return the ability to resurrect their accounts effortlessly. According to an e-mail message from Amy Sezak, a spokeswoman for Facebook, “Deactivated accounts mean that a user can reactivate at any time and their information will be available again just as they left it.”

But it also means that disenchanted users cannot disappear from the site without leaving footprints. Facebook’s terms of use state that “you may remove your user content from the site at any time,” but also that “you acknowledge that the company may retain archived copies of your user content.”

Its privacy policy says that after someone deactivates an account, “removed information may persist in backup copies for a reasonable period of time.”

Facebook’s Web site does not inform departing users that they must delete information from their account in order to close it fully — meaning that they may unwittingly leave anything from e-mail addresses to credit card numbers sitting on Facebook servers.

Only people who contact Facebook’s customer service department are informed that they must painstakingly delete, line by line, all of the profile information, “wall” messages and group memberships they may have created within Facebook.

“Users can also have their account completely removed by deleting all of the data associated with their account and then deactivating it,” Ms. Sezak said in her message. “Users can then write to Facebook to request their account be deleted and their e-mail will be completely erased from the database.”

But even users who try to delete every piece of information they have ever written, sent or received via the network have found their efforts to permanently leave stymied. Other social networking sites like MySpace and Friendster, as well as online dating sites like eHarmony.com, may require departing users to confirm their wishes several times — but in the end they offer a delete option.

“Most sites, even online dating sites, will give you an option to wipe your slate clean,” Mr. Das said.

Mr. Das, who joined Facebook on a whim after receiving invitations from friends, tried to leave after realizing that most of his co-workers were also on the site. “I work in a small office,” he said. “The last thing I want is people going on there and checking out my private life.”

“I did not want to be on it after junior associates at work whom I have to manage saw my stuff,” he added.

Facebook’s quiet archiving of information from deactivated accounts has increased concerns about the network’s potential abuse of private data, especially in the wake of its fumbled Beacon advertising feature.

That application, which tracks and publishes the items bought by Facebook members on outside Web sites, was introduced in November without a transparent, one-step opt-out feature. After a public backlash, including more than 50,000 Facebook users’ signatures on a MoveOn.org protest petition, Facebook executives apologized and allowed such an opt-out option on the program.

Tensions remain between making a profit and alienating Facebook’s users, who the company says total about 64 million worldwide (MySpace has an estimated 110 million monthly active users).

The network is still trying to find a way to monetize its popularity, mostly by allowing marketers access to its wealth of demographic and behavioral information. The retention of old accounts on Facebook’s servers seems like another effort to hold onto — and provide its ad partners with — as much demographic information as possible.

“The thing they offer advertisers is that they can connect to groups of people. I can see why they wouldn’t want to throw away anyone’s information, but there’s a conflict with privacy,” said Alan Burlison, 46, a British software engineer who succeeded in deleting his account only after he complained in the British press, to the country’s Information Commissioner’s Office and to the TRUSTe organization, an online privacy network that has certified Facebook.

Mr. Burlison’s complaint spurred the Information Commissioner’s Office, a privacy watchdog organization, to investigate Facebook’s data-protection practices, the BBC reported last month. In response, Facebook issued a statement saying that its policy was in “full compliance with U.K. data protection law.”

A spokeswoman for TRUSTe, which is based in San Francisco, said its account deletion process was “inconvenient,” but that Facebook was “being responsive to us and they currently meet our requirements.”

“I kept getting the same answer and really felt that I was being given the runaround,” Mr. Burlison said of Facebook’s customer service representatives. “It was quite obvious that no amount of prodding from me on a personal level was going to make a difference.”

Only after he sent a link to the video of his interview with Britain’s Channel 4 News to the customer service representatives — and Facebook executives — was his account finally deleted.

Steven Mansour, 28, a Canadian online community developer, spent two weeks in July trying to fully delete his account from Facebook. He later wrote a blog entry — including e-mail messages, diagrams and many exclamations of frustration — in a post entitled “2504 Steps to closing your Facebook account” (www.stevenmansour.com).

Mr. Mansour, who said he is “really skeptical of social networking sites,” decided to leave after a few months on Facebook. “I was getting tired of always getting alerts and e-mails,” he said. “I found it very invasive.”

“It’s part of a much bigger picture of social networking sites on the Internet harvesting private data, whether for marketing or for more sinister purposes,” he said. His post, which wound up on the link-aggregator Digg.com, has been viewed more than 87,000 times, Mr. Mansour said, adding that the traffic was so high it crashed his server.

And his post became the touchstone for Mr. Wallin, who was inspired to create his group, “How to permanently delete your Facebook account,” after joining, leaving and then rejoining Facebook, only to find that all of his information from his first account was still available.

“I wanted the information to be available inside Facebook for all the users who wanted to leave, and quite a few people have found it just by using internal search,” said Mr. Wallin. Facebook has never contacted Mr. Wallin about the group.

Mr. Wallin said he has heard through members that some people have successfully used his steps to leave Facebook. But he is not yet ready to leave himself.

“I don’t want to leave yet; I actually find it really convenient,” he said. “But someday when I want to leave, I want it to be simple.”
 
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Pretty creepy Dali. I deactivated my account and, just like those people in the article, I was confused as to why all my information would be there if I returned. They don't delete it... it lives on!
 
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When EA announced that they were going to put a "Where am I?" button on our UI there was a great out cry from our community that we didn't want it unless we could turn it off. EA assured us we would indeed be able to turn it off.

Now look what they have done. In their zeal to market EA Land with Avatar Book they have bypassed our in game security system and opt us all in to be tracked by anyone using AB. To opt out and retain the security settings we may have put on in game we now need to register to third party software so we can access AB. Quite frankly this stinks! They have broken trust with the long time players here who believed them when they told us we could control the information regarding our whereabouts by using the in game toggle button.

They have created the perfect tool for stalkers. What the heck were they thinking? Apparently they have had no in game experience with disruptive/sicko/griefer stalkers and it looks like some of you have never had that type of negative experience in this game or you would not be so quick to give away your ability to block spying/stalking on your avatar.

I have no problem with those of you who want to opt in. That is your choice but do not take away another player's choice to block spying/stalking using our in game toggle switch. If a player has turned the "Where am I" toggle button off there should be no feeds about where he/she is or where they have been. You shouldn't be able to click on someone's house and see the name of an avatar who has put on the in game block. As someone suggested here they should only show as invisible guest.
 
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TNIP

I think it is obvious EA doesn't really care what we, the players, want as this was debated when the FB stuff first came out.

They assured us in the Pub that the privacy features would be addressed but they have not been and looks like they never will be. SHAME ON YOU EA!

Those of you who wish to use this "feature" can and will but why do you want to deny those of us who don't (and WANT our privacy) the option to not be included, either in sim, lot, anything?

Why should we HAVE to opt out? How hard would it be to make it an OPT IN thing, you go sign up for it your in! You want your house and all shown all you do is opt IN. Those of us not interested and not signed up shouldn't have to sign up (OPT IN) to not be involved in any respect. Show our sims as unknown, show our lots as private, don't show anything at all on accounts choosing not to OPT IN!

Again, I am at a loss as to why those of you who like this and want to use it feel the need to force those of us who don't like it and have no intentions of using it to do so? Where are all the "You play your way and let me play my way!!" Advocates here? OH I know! That only works for the things YOU want it to work for or that are important to YOU! Gotcha!
 
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If it were up to me, I would not have added this feature, but heck, there are a number of things I would have designed differently. :) Sure, you can protect your privacy on Facebook if you go about it right, but one thing that Facebook users keep proving over and over is how easy it is to get careless.

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They have created the perfect tool for stalkers. What the heck were they thinking? Apparently they have had no in game experience with disruptive/sicko/griefer stalkers and it looks like some of you have never had that type of negative experience in this game or you would not be so quick to give away your ability to block spying/stalking on your avatar.

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To quote a movie that I can't recall the name of 'Don't assume nothin, sweetheart.' YES I have had griefers stalkers in the game, which is *why* I had zero problems signing up for FB so that I could opt out of what I wanted to opt out of....therefore I've not 'given' anything away....the only players who will be giving it away are those who refuse to sign up with Facebook, even though its been proven that one can do so using their sim info, without having to give one shred of RL info. You don't even *have* to use your RL birthday like I did, you can use your sim's birthday and use your own year of birth so that it won't appear as though a 1-5 year old signed up for the account.

IMO, anybody who *has* had bad experiences in the game will not have any problems doing whatever they have to do to prevent it. We are still given those tools to prevent it, it just requires about 10-15 minutes more 'footwork'. I have to wonder who the heck has a life so busy that they can't spare 10-15 minutes, even if they do it late at night when the spouse and kids are all fed and in bed. You guys are acting as if this takes an act of Congress or something to get out of.
 
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As a matter of interest, I just saw this news article on the Pogo.com page for Club Pogo when I started working on a badge for this week. This was under their news section.....copy/pasting for the benefit of those who don't have a paid subscription and might not be able to see the article:

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you can share your Club Pogo enthusiasm beyond the boundaries of Club Pogo. No longer are your tokens and Club Pogo™ Minis relegated to remaining on Club Pogo. Have a cool screen name? Millions of tokens? To-die-for new Mini outfit? Now you can share your Club Pogo profile with other online social networks through our new Facebook application, Pogo Games Fanatic.

What's more? The Pogo Games Fanatic for Club Pogo fanatics include the RSS Feed, which always keeps you in the Pogo know. New Badge Challenge info and Community Events will be delivered to you right from the application. Perhaps the coolest part is you can play popular Club Pogo game favorites on your Facebook page.

If you're not familiar with Facebook, just know it's similar to the Club Pogo Community-- without the games, of course. It's a fun place to chat with friends online and share pictures, blogs and much more. Now you can even share your Mini!

Currently the Pogo Games Fanatic Facebook application is for Facebook only, but other social networks aren't far behind. Soon you'll be able to post your Pogo info on social networks all across the web, so be sure to check the Widget Library often for new updates.

This application is very simple to use. It is similar to a widget, like our Word Whomp™ Widget, in the sense that it is an easy application to move and use from many places on the Internet. Look for an upcoming Tiki Bros. article on how to make them work for you!

If you're ready to get the Pogo Games Fanatic Facebook Application, check out the Pogo Widgets Page

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So, the inferences that EA is using this just as cheap advertising specifically EAL don't seem to be true....this seems to be an addition to alot of, if not all of, EA's online games.
 
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IMO, anybody who *has* had bad experiences in the game will not have any problems doing whatever they have to do to prevent it. We are still given those tools to prevent it, it just requires about 10-15 minutes more 'footwork'. I have to wonder who the heck has a life so busy that they can't spare 10-15 minutes, even if they do it late at night when the spouse and kids are all fed and in bed. You guys are acting as if this takes an act of Congress or something to get out of.

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Or maybe, some of us don't want to break the Terms of Use with FaceBook in order to protect our game information that isn't even available in game.
 
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IMO, anybody who *has* had bad experiences in the game will not have any problems doing whatever they have to do to prevent it. We are still given those tools to prevent it, it just requires about 10-15 minutes more 'footwork'. I have to wonder who the heck has a life so busy that they can't spare 10-15 minutes, even if they do it late at night when the spouse and kids are all fed and in bed. You guys are acting as if this takes an act of Congress or something to get out of.

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Or maybe, some of us don't want to break the Terms of Use with FaceBook in order to protect our game information that isn't even available in game.

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Good point, but what's going to happen if you break the rules? They cancel your account you didn't want anyway?
 
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They have created the perfect tool for stalkers. What the heck were they thinking? Apparently they have had no in game experience with disruptive/sicko/griefer stalkers and it looks like some of you have never had that type of negative experience in this game or you would not be so quick to give away your ability to block spying/stalking on your avatar.

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To quote a movie that I can't recall the name of 'Don't assume nothin, sweetheart.' YES I have had griefers stalkers in the game, which is *why* I had zero problems signing up for FB so that I could opt out of what I wanted to opt out of....therefore I've not 'given' anything away....the only players who will be giving it away are those who refuse to sign up with Facebook, even though its been proven that one can do so using their sim info, without having to give one shred of RL info. You don't even *have* to use your RL birthday like I did, you can use your sim's birthday and use your own year of birth so that it won't appear as though a 1-5 year old signed up for the account.

IMO, anybody who *has* had bad experiences in the game will not have any problems doing whatever they have to do to prevent it. We are still given those tools to prevent it, it just requires about 10-15 minutes more 'footwork'. I have to wonder who the heck has a life so busy that they can't spare 10-15 minutes, even if they do it late at night when the spouse and kids are all fed and in bed. You guys are acting as if this takes an act of Congress or something to get out of.

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No one should have to register for third party software to correct the way they violated their own in game security toggle button. That is just ridiculous!
 
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IMO, anybody who *has* had bad experiences in the game will not have any problems doing whatever they have to do to prevent it. We are still given those tools to prevent it, it just requires about 10-15 minutes more 'footwork'. I have to wonder who the heck has a life so busy that they can't spare 10-15 minutes, even if they do it late at night when the spouse and kids are all fed and in bed. You guys are acting as if this takes an act of Congress or something to get out of.

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Or maybe, some of us don't want to break the Terms of Use with FaceBook in order to protect our game information that isn't even available in game.

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Good point, but what's going to happen if you break the rules? They cancel your account you didn't want anyway?

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Why should I follow EA-Land's Terms of Service then? They just going to cancel my account and I get another one?

Come on, is it okay to break one rule and not another?

Besides, maybe some do want a FaceBook account. FaceBook is not only for gaming or social networking.
 
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IMO, anybody who *has* had bad experiences in the game will not have any problems doing whatever they have to do to prevent it. We are still given those tools to prevent it, it just requires about 10-15 minutes more 'footwork'. I have to wonder who the heck has a life so busy that they can't spare 10-15 minutes, even if they do it late at night when the spouse and kids are all fed and in bed. You guys are acting as if this takes an act of Congress or something to get out of.

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Or maybe, some of us don't want to break the Terms of Use with FaceBook in order to protect our game information that isn't even available in game.

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Good point, but what's going to happen if you break the rules? They cancel your account you didn't want anyway?

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Why should I follow EA-Land's Terms of Service then? They just going to cancel my account and I get another one?

Come on, is it okay to break one rule and not another?

Besides, maybe some do want a FaceBook account. FaceBook is not only for gaming or social networking.

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The difference to me is: EA Lands TOS would matter because I want the account, where as FB I could care less and only signing up to opt out.

AND If someone does actually want a FB account, why would they need to break the FB TOS?
 
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AND If someone does actually want a FB account, why would they need to break the FB TOS?

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IP tracking, dear. If I lie on one FB account, it could jeopardize the account I want to keep. Unless of course, you want to break another rule/law to prevent that. One lie, leads to many.

If you have to lie in order to protect gaming information, then maybe this game is not worth playing, for some. I guess no one cares about all the players, only the mere few. *shrug*

Simple solution would be to have the 'Opt Out' default and this wouldn't be an issue.
 
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AND If someone does actually want a FB account, why would they need to break the FB TOS?

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IP tracking, dear. If I lie on one FB account, it could jeopardize the account I want to keep. Unless of course, you want to break another rule/law to prevent that. One lie, leads to many.

If you have to lie in order to protect gaming information, then maybe this game is not worth playing, for some. I guess no one cares about all the players, only the mere few. *shrug*

Simple solution would be to have the 'Opt Out' default and this wouldn't be an issue.

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If you already have an account, why do you need another one?
 
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IP tracking, dear. If I lie on one FB account, it could jeopardize the account I want to keep. Unless of course, you want to break another rule/law to prevent that. One lie, leads to many.

If you have to lie in order to protect gaming information, then maybe this game is not worth playing, for some. I guess no one cares about all the players, only the mere few. *shrug*

Simple solution would be to have the 'Opt Out' default and this wouldn't be an issue.

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If you already have an account, why do you need another one?

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Maybe I don't want to be associated with EA Land, or my friends would ridicule me. Maybe I pay for more than one EA Land account and would need several accounts in order to 'opt out.'
 
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IP tracking, dear. If I lie on one FB account, it could jeopardize the account I want to keep. Unless of course, you want to break another rule/law to prevent that. One lie, leads to many.

If you have to lie in order to protect gaming information, then maybe this game is not worth playing, for some. I guess no one cares about all the players, only the mere few. *shrug*

Simple solution would be to have the 'Opt Out' default and this wouldn't be an issue.

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If you already have an account, why do you need another one?

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Maybe I don't want to be associated with EA Land, or my friends would ridicule me. Maybe I pay for more than one EA Land account and would need several accounts in order to 'opt out.'

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Well I don't know what to say on the 2nd accounts, besides my 2nd accounts don't mean jack and anyone can stalk me if they choose to lol. Its only an avatar.

As for the other, there are settings in FB to block FB friends from seeing AB and block AB friends from seeing FB. I set both to block yesterday. (And if your friends would judge you because you play ea land, how good of friends are they?)

Its not that I don't know what the "simple" solution will be. Its that this is apart of the new game, we don't make the design choices. When they ask us our opinion its not because they really want to know. lol They have a plan and are going to do what they need to do to get the game up and running, at a profit, the way the big bosses want it to be. If everyone was freaking out like they did with bookmarks it would be different, but at this point, bookmarks are set to auto opt out, the rest of what people can see isn't that critical, unless you're a very secretive person...errr avatar I mean.
 
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I don't agree with this.
 
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Qute Pi... I have no ill-will toward you at all. This is just discussion. I've actually applauded most of your statements on the Blog and here, we just happen to sit on the opposite sides of the fence on this particular discussion.

With that being said, FB is used for more than 'friends.' It would be nice if no one judged anyone, but in business (which is what some use FB for,) you don't have that luxury.

My spare accounts are for me to judge whether I want the WWW involved or not, not you or anyone else. We obviously live in different worlds, yet under the same sky. This is why we probably won't ever come to an agreement on 'what should be done.'

Hopefully, the 'bosses' at EA will understand the 'other world view' of FB someday.
 
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I don't agree with this.

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Ok my bad, they want to know but our answer won't change the basic plans they already have set in place.
 
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It has in the past. Think about it. They let sims out of TC. No on thought that would happen. They are giving amnesty to everyone. Not just those that do not currently own those items. No one will lose their locks. That was not the original plan. I think they have done quite a bit of changes at our request. I am sure there are more examples. Just can't think of them atm. LOL Looks like they are fixing lag before they rename the simolean. People suggested that. Think about it and I am sure you could come up with more examples. They set the bookmarks to default on opt out.

WE KEPT OUR BV SIMS!!!!!!!!!!! AND ITEMS!!!!!!!!!
ETA: I said sims because they are sims til they get to EA Land.
 
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Qute Pi... I have no ill-will toward you at all. This is just discussion. I've actually applauded most of your statements on the Blog and here, we just happen to sit on the opposite sides of the fence on this particular discussion.

With that being said, FB is used for more than 'friends.' It would be nice if no one judged anyone, but in business (which is what some use FB for,) you don't have that luxury.

My spare accounts are for me to judge whether I want the WWW involved or not, not you or anyone else. We obviously live in different worlds, yet under the same sky. This is why we probably won't ever come to an agreement on 'what should be done.'

Hopefully, the 'bosses' at EA will understand the 'other world view' of FB someday.

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I'm just here for a fight
KIDDING!!!!!

I never signed up for facebook prior to needing to in order to opt out. I have NO FB experience at all, and I also don't plan to personally use it for rl stuff, other than to control my main EAL account privacy settings.

I just figure since this subject has been topic for awhile, and no dev's have responded to it, that it doesn't matter what we say at this point.
That doesn't mean that future features won't get us upset like the bookmarks. It is possible somethings will get auto opt out, I just don't think "news feeds" will.

As for our avatar having a page everyone can see, I don't see that a big deal, only skills, roomies and inside game public info is showing anyway.

OH OH I said Avatar without saying sim first woohoo!
 
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It has in the past. Think about it. They let sims out of TC. No on thought that would happen. They are giving amnesty to everyone. Not just those that do not currently own those items. No one will lose their locks. That was not the original plan. I think they have done quite a bit of changes at our request. I am sure there are more examples. Just can't think of them atm. LOL Looks like they are fixing lag before they rename the simolean. People suggested that. Think about it and I am sure you could come up with more examples. They set the bookmarks to default on opt out.

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Some of those things were decided when they were trying to figure out how to keep those that are left, to stay in the game. I never said they didn't do anything nice for us. I appreciate everything they do. I still don't think they listen, because there are soooo many different opinions among us. What will make one group happy will piss off another.
Lag is a necessity to change, otherwise they will lose customer base.
I think most of what they DO listen to us for will benefit them in the long run.
What was the last thing someone suggested, that they didn't already have planned (besides bookmarks on FB) that they did for us to date that didn't benefit them?
 
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Move our BV sims with their items. They could have just told us it was not possible. We would have bought it.

No the last thing was to extend the time on the lava game. I think lol idk.
 
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Move our BV sims with their items. They could have just told us it was not possible. We would have bought it.

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You could still lose your house.
And I don't think we asked for that, it was apart of the plan. They just knew it would be more difficult to accomplish.
Last I heard they don't have a definite answer on how BV will go, or if your items will come with. I must have missed that clarification...I was under the impression it was still unknown. Good job with your example tho
 
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At first we were told we would get one bv sim and not to expect anything more. We got to keep all 4 and our items. WOOOOOOOOOT
We may get to keep our houses.
 
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From FB to sim move? Can we return to the topic and start a new thread about moving avatars please.
 
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*Scratches head and looks at topic*

From FB to sim move? Can we return to the topic and start a new thread about moving avatars please.


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sowwy my bad :\

back to FB...I said what I had to say lol, those who responded said what they had to say...we got no where but closer to friendship


I agree to disagree and see what future FB features are introduced. Never know maybe next time I'll agree to agree. hehe.
 
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Maybe I don't want to be associated with EA Land, or my friends would ridicule me. Maybe I pay for more than one EA Land account and would need several accounts in order to 'opt out.'


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I understand your reasoning, it makes sense.
But... if those accounts have anything in common, like e-mail addy or IP, those accounts WILL be linked, and a savvy user would have little trouble finding, either the 'real' or fake, 'you'.
 
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Maybe I don't want to be associated with EA Land, or my friends would ridicule me. Maybe I pay for more than one EA Land account and would need several accounts in order to 'opt out.'


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I understand your reasoning, it makes sense.
But... if those accounts have anything in common, like e-mail addy or IP, those accounts WILL be linked, and a savvy user would have little trouble finding, either the 'real' or fake, 'you'.

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Exactly, which would jeopardize my original FB account. I's tryin' to s'plain it, Ricky.


Love,

Lucy
(Donavan's Stalker)
 
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