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A Recap Of The 4/24/16 Conseil du Roi

Kylie Kinslayer

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Minutes from the 4/25/16 Conseil du Roi

King Blackthorn speaks on the dangers of Tyranny and Censorship in all it's forms across Britannia.

The King's speech in it's entirety:


Good evening everyone.
Please, sit.

Small group this evening. But that is to be expected. As we haven't had one of these successful in a number of meetings due to scheduling. Hopefully we can pick them up with more frequency and get back to normal.

This meeting will be a bit more autocratic than normal, I have quite a lot to say. Hopefully someone will take notes and relay my words to the entire kingdom.

After I say what I need to say, I will open the floor to open conversation.

I have a meeting in an hour with Lady Amandine. So we will need to finish promptly at 8:55.

I wanted to speak tonight about the dangers of censorship and tyranny within our... Britannian community. And how it is important that we not allow a simple few, to rule over us for the sake of their
own power and pleasure.

First, a bit of background. Many years ago, there was a small, what I would call cult in Magincia. They were a pro-human group that shunned all of what they would call, 'lesser' species. A small cohort of that group existed still when the child Addie was found in New Magincia. I believe they called themselves the Republic of Magincia. But at their heart, they were still Humanists.

That group was secretly a major influence in the early life of young Addie. And later, under my rule, Lord Adamu often fell back on the teachings of that group. We had many discussions, although private, and they often got quite heated.

I have learned that Lord Adamu was one of the leaders of the modern Humanist movement within Britannia. And after his 'passing'... or 'ascension'... Whatever we choose to call it. Others took the baton and spread the Humanist ideal even farther than it had been carried before Into the peasantry. That group recruited and battled back and forth with the Knights of the Crux Ansata, And Lady Amandine herself.

I have reports of several zealous cleansing of Humanist camps in Ilshenar and other areas. Over the years Lady Amandine has been brutal in her pursuit of these people. Interesting considering her connection to Lord Adamu, and of course their child.

Now, let me be clear.

I wholeheartedly and completely disagree with the Humanist philosophy. I find it abhorrent, destructive and wholly disgusting. However. Just because I disagree with a school of thought, or a community of people. Does not mean I, as ruler, have any business in conducting a hunt or a complete... eradication of that group.

Debate and free flow of information and ideas is paramount to any free kingdom, culture...
or community. We cannot allow ourselves to become zealots in the quashing of opinion. We cannot excise an entire school of thought, simply because we disagree with it, or dislike... its membership.

That my friends, is a dangerous path.

I find it completely disgusting the actions of the past few days. How someone in power could think they could exercise such power over a community of people... Is simply tyranny and zealotry. Even as King of Britannia, I allow my subjects the freedom of thought and of action. Even the Traitor Lord Tazar was given leave to disagree with my actions. To debate openly and disagree with his King. And only after he committed a crime of attempted Regicide, was he acted against as a... traitor and a criminal.

We must all guard against Tyranny within our community and our Kingdom of Britannia. We simply cannot allow anyone, ever to speak, or take action for us. That is our right as individuals. The laws of the realm are simple. To break them invites severe action. However, words are almost never cause to commit zealotry against a group of people.

Lady Amandine will be spoken to, and I hope that she hears my words. I will not allow her, or anyone else to speak for the people of Britannia. Britannia has its own voice. Britannia does not stand for zealotry or Tyranny. And we will not abide tyrants or zealots in our midst.

The most righteous and brightest of knights, is easily tainted by what is 'right'. When you are 'right' no one else can speak against that, you step closer and closer into zealotry. Lady Amandine is loyal to the crown. I have only to speak with her, and she will bend her knee to me. However, we must guard against others who do similar action.

*takes a deep breath*

I think I have said my peace. my piece as well.
I will add only this...

We are a kingdom of voices.
We are Kings, we are Lords and Ladies, we are Knights and Mages...
We are Peasants, Woodworkers, Blacksmiths and Shop Keepers.
We all have a unique view of our world.
We all see things different.
We cannot stifle any voice, simply because we do not like what their opinion is.
Our community must remain open, free and without tyranny or oppression.

And we must rid ourselves of the zealots that try and silence those voices they dislike.

Lady Amandine will be dealt with. Even her own daughter is furious with her over this. The burning of books, indeed.

Disgusting!
*shakes his head*

The floor is open, to all. Should anyone have anything to say.

***I was unfortunately unable to hear the questions that were asked as most of them were asked from across the room. But I still provide the Kings answers***

Exactly. If we allow someone to silence ideas they do not like people are next.

I am monarch here, I am King, but I rule in a way where all voices are heard.

I would say to allow your voice to be heard, make sure those that need to hear your opinion...hear it.
Do not allow your voice to go unheard, even if it is small and meek.

The majority of Humanists I have heard about are deathly afraid of the Crux Ansata. Most simply want to be left alone. I think for Lady Amandine, the issue is personally. Or rather, personal. Between her ideas and the ideas of Lord Adamu. And which voice she wants little Charlotte to hear. But we cannot allow personal wishes to turn into vendetta.

***THE KINGS FINAL WORDS***

Remember, it may be your voice they try and squash next.
Stand against Tyranny and Opression.
Do not allow it to take root.
Here or anywhere.
Long Live Britannia!


copied as originally posted here: Kylie Kinslayer - Minutes from the 4/25/16 Conseil du Roi... | Facebook
 

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I just want to say that it was not appropriate for an in game event meeting to be based on the drama of a fansite. This was very clearly a commentary on the recent drama from here, no matter how much anyone denies it, and whoever was playing the King Blackthorn character should not have done that.

In game events should be about the game, they should not be used as a tool to push a personal opinion about something on the player base. I know someone reading this will think I am just being paranoid, but no that is not the case, I am from Atlantic and I know how our "King Blackthorn" does things. It was not a coincidence.
 

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Ummm... Captn, this arc had been developing long before the fansite stuff popped off man. The Crux had been attacking Humanists since I have come back (like a month and a half or so) and I am sure Bennu pens his fiction at least a week or more in advance. His arcs are so complex that I think he would have to.

I think it was just good/bad timing depending on a persons specific point of view is all. However, with the passion Bennu has for the community, I mean the longest running EM - enduring TONS of griefing etc... being an EM is the single most thankless job in UO imo lol.. he could have intended some of it for the fan base community leaders.. sure.. I will admit that could be possible.. especially the view point that every voice should be heard part.. I mean he does stand there and listen to folks trash him *shrugs*.. he does not just remove them.. ya know?
 

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Ummm... Captn, this arc had been developing long before the fansite stuff popped off man. The Crux had been attacking Humanists since I have come back
Ive killed plenty of humanist's (Its existed for a long time on Atlantic). Kylie is 100% correct.

But no, feel free to be offended.

Btw

When do you become a mod on Stratics again Norrington?
 

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Ummm... Captn, this arc had been developing long before the fansite stuff popped off man. The Crux had been attacking Humanists since I have come back (like a month and a half or so) and I am sure Bennu pens his fiction at least a week or more in advance. His arcs are so complex that I think he would have to.

I think it was just good/bad timing depending on a persons specific point of view is all. However, with the passion Bennu has for the community, I mean the longest running EM - enduring TONS of griefing etc... being an EM is the single most thankless job in UO imo lol.. he could have intended some of it for the fan base community leaders.. sure.. I will admit that could be possible.. especially the view point that every voice should be heard part.. I mean he does stand there and listen to folks trash him *shrugs*.. he does not just remove them.. ya know?
Let's not kid ourselves and call a spade a spade.

EM Bennu should know better.
 

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Let's not kid ourselves and call a spade a spade.

EM Bennu should know better.
*shrugs*

I dunno man, I don't pretend to know what goes through his mind. Only pure speculation on my part and I could be 100% wrong... but then again Bennu could be sitting back like Morgan Freeman as well *shrugs*


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I just want to say that it was not appropriate for an in game event meeting to be based on the drama of a fansite. This was very clearly a commentary on the recent drama from here, no matter how much anyone denies it, and whoever was playing the King Blackthorn character should not have done that.

In game events should be about the game, they should not be used as a tool to push a personal opinion about something on the player base. I know someone reading this will think I am just being paranoid, but no that is not the case, I am from Atlantic and I know how our "King Blackthorn" does things. It was not a coincidence.
I gotta agree with captain on this one. This is very bad form. I play UO for an escape from reality and drama. I'm pretty disgusted that the game that I use to escape, is condoning not only fueling fires, but attempting to rally people to continue to lash against each other.
When I have a problem with someone, I PK them. No pitchforks or drama required.

The end.

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P.S. Great writing though!
 
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Lord Isk & Lady Joanna Weaver & The Humanist Cult were my neighbors for many years. They are part of our historical fiction.

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Man you all see conspiracy in everything don't you? Relax and breath and enjoy the story. Not everyone cares about the drama that goes on here at stratics. This story had been building for weeks.
 

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I just want to say that it was not appropriate for an in game event meeting to be based on the drama of a fansite. This was very clearly a commentary on the recent drama from here, no matter how much anyone denies it, and whoever was playing the King Blackthorn character should not have done that.

In game events should be about the game, they should not be used as a tool to push a personal opinion about something on the player base. I know someone reading this will think I am just being paranoid, but no that is not the case, I am from Atlantic and I know how our "King Blackthorn" does things. It was not a coincidence.
Everyone outside of the staff and a few sycophants considers the Stratics administration to be a complete joke at this point. Sorry if the truth hurts.
 

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lol @ people being upset by this. Not surprising. This place is too sensitive to handle any type of personality that isn't some sugar coated, care bear. If saying "stratics staff can't handle influx of posts" was enough to ban someone, then I'm really not surprised they are butthurt that an in game event making them look dumb is causing an uproar. Go try and have a good day... or something, people.
 

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Shosh...Shosh... there... there ..now... Lil Grasshoppers calm down.
If Bennu even reads stratics posts hes prolly chuckling
Hes building his story arc, leave him to it. Hes smiling , knowing hes got your interest now
(Happy, Sad, angry, revolting, hes pulling you in. Leave him to it
( I personally miss the days with his grand stories being brought to light here ) Please come back to stratics Bennu (Pretty Please)
 

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Ummm... Captn, this arc had been developing long before the fansite stuff popped off man. The Crux had been attacking Humanists since I have come back (like a month and a half or so) and I am sure Bennu pens his fiction at least a week or more in advance. His arcs are so complex that I think he would have to.

I think it was just good/bad timing depending on a persons specific point of view is all. However, with the passion Bennu has for the community, I mean the longest running EM - enduring TONS of griefing etc... being an EM is the single most thankless job in UO imo lol.. he could have intended some of it for the fan base community leaders.. sure.. I will admit that could be possible.. especially the view point that every voice should be heard part.. I mean he does stand there and listen to folks trash him *shrugs*.. he does not just remove them.. ya know?
Sorry but you are mistaken. This is clear to me and it is exactly as CN has stated. "I wanted to speak tonight about the dangers of censorship and tyranny within our... Britannian community." This can only mean one thing: what has happened here on these forums and the censorship here (past, present and future.) If you think it refers to book burning and a story arc "that has developed for a long time" you need to take a literature course. Bennu is too clever to pass up the opportunity: he should know better but the chance to demonstrate life imitating art was too good for him to pass.
 

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Sorry but you are mistaken.
Opinions are just that... mere opinions... the only one who knows for certain is Bennu himself.

he should know better
It seems like some carry the thought process that if Bennu was referring to the drama he would be doing something wrong. What? EM's can't have opinions? Last I checked, which was a while back I admit, Mesanna gives the EM's pretty much free reign on their fiction and story lines. What makes mere players think they can direct an EM's path when the Dark Lady herself does not? Hmmmm... me thinks that was the exact thing the King was trying to warn us about :cool:

Sorry but you are mistaken.
Already said i very well could be :next:

*shrugs*
I dunno man, I don't pretend to know what goes through his mind. Only pure speculation on my part and I could be 100% wrong...
 

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Opinions are just that... mere opinions... the only one who knows for certain is Bennu himself.

It seems like some carry the thought process that if Bennu was referring to the drama he would be doing something wrong. What? EM's can't have opinions? Last I checked, which was a while back I admit, Mesanna gives the EM's pretty much free reign on their fiction and story lines. What makes mere players think they can direct an EM's path when the Dark Lady herself does not? Hmmmm... me thinks that was the exact thing the King was trying to warn us about :cool:

Already said i very well could be :next:
Opinion? Hardly. Evaluation? Definitely.

I never said anything about Bennu having (or not having) an opinion. I never said anything about Bennu doing something wrong. What I did say was the opposite of what you believe: he commented on the Stratics drama. He used his story line and brought Stratics into it cleverly without naming the site. I say bully for him.

Your comment about EMs having free reign about the story line is well taken. If that is the case (and it probably is) then let's take it to the next step: was what Bennu did professional? If you believe Beenu's story had nothing to do with Stratics then we can easily move on without incident. However, if one believes he did make reference then it opens up a can of worms. Following this line of thought, one has to ask the question: "does the free reign of EM story lines allow this level of conduct?" If that is the case then do you also have to call into question the direction given by Broadsword to the EMs?

It is much simpler/easier to believe that Bennu's comments were just a part of the story arc, especially if you are on the Stratics "Board".
 

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Good questions honestly...

For me, when it comes to whether or not it was professional would be based on his intent if he did intend the speech to be directed towards the people caught up in the drama and those who fanned the flames with gas. If we take his:

Remember, it may be your voice they try and squash next.
Stand against Tyranny and Opression.
Do not allow it to take root.
Here or anywhere.

part and apply it to be directed towards say Stratics for example... would we not then also have to take his:

Now, let me be clear.

I wholeheartedly and completely disagree with the Humanist philosophy. I find it abhorrent, destructive and wholly disgusting. However. Just because I disagree with a school of thought, or a community of people.

part and apply it to the other side of the drama.. say "JC side" in this example? Yin and Yang, ya can't have one without the other... for me even if he was directing it at the situation he would have been speaking to both sides. Having watched Bennu in action over the years (sure I missed some being away) I can say that to me personally he seems to care about the community of UO above ALL else and wants that community to remain healthy. Heck, EM for how many years? And keep in mind, he does not just "phone it in" like some EM's... ya know? To me that shows just how much he cares about a healthy community. Now I know folks on here nor in game know me personally or in my personal life.. but I am not one who is given to praise easily. I am on the other end of that spectrum.. so *shrugs* I ask ya to take that for what it's worth.
 

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You know in all honestly, the story line is great writing. We can all speculate what it means all day long. I'm not gonna allow myself to be upset or hurt by it, outside of my initial disappointment and shock. I guess people deal with situations in different ways. If someone wishes to write a book behind recent events, go for it. If that's what makes you, as a person, feel better about everything, and if that's what the community craves, go for it. Personally, I find it rather juvenile and distasteful. Especially coming from EM's who are paid to encourage peace, community, and fun. But as everyone else is, I am also entitled to my opinion I guess.

Anyways, goodnight =)
 

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@Giggles I will definitely give credit where credit is due... plenty of past staffs would have locked even this thread a LONG time ago (like up around post 7 or 8 lol). Yet this staff has not. To me that speaks volumes when it comes to the different mindset that Stratics seems to have these days. Too many times discussions would get locked because of "where they could go" or because it seemed to not be a positive situation being talked about. Hopefully people seeing that will begin to mend the hurt feelings on all sides. I hate seeing a divided community, just like you seem to.
 
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