36 +10 fishing scrolls later

[Sellingahouse]

And i think im going to give up. I think this everyday but today I looked at some of my fishing baits and some are over 7k. I have 25 different baits, I think I might need a winter dragon fish, if there is one. 140 traps, been throwing away poles, only kept one of each book. 115 fishing, I havent quit quest in a month only quit 5 total .

I put all my bait in one cup and cant sell one cup for 1 million, +10s for 1 million or poles for 20k. I cant make any money selling the rewards i get and im broke, so i would have to go crabbing/fishing if i want to do more quest.

I have been doing multi quest for a week now without a problem. Most of the quest I get are large orders. I get more poles than books, I get very few books. I do pull up kingfish and blue marlin without using bait sailing to next quest drop off. Many times I get the same rewards in a row poles, powerscrolls and bait, this is turning in quest fast. Anyone think it might be best to wait 5 minutes before turning in next quest? Does that even matter?

Everytime I turn in a big order and get 100 zombie/black/stone/blue/king/golden/void, I just know that was the one that could of gave me the +20. Everytime I see a white ps I hold my breath and its a +10 dont get many +5 anymore. Im really frustrated, I hate to say how many quest I have done (im an idiot) but some of you can make a good quess. So I think that quitting the very 1st quest I every got really messed me up and no matter how many I do I will never get above +10.
sorry about long post

 

[popps]

Well, there is also Scroll Binders.........

!2x 110 make a 115 and 10x 115 make a 120.........

Just keep going, save up your minor scrolls and bind them as you go.

You will either get your 120 as a drop or just bind it.

That's the beauty with Scroll Binders, we are no longer subject totally to the RNG, we can beat it with work and dedication...

 

[Gowron]

Well, there is also Scroll Binders.........

!2x 110 make a 115 and 10x 115 make a 120.........

Just keep going, save up your minor scrolls and bind them as you go.

You will either get your 120 as a drop or just bind it.

That's the beauty with Scroll Binders, we are no longer subject totally to the RNG, we can beat it with work and dedication...

Don't you have to rely on the RNG to drop the scrolls you put into a binder?

Besides, if you are broke, how many MiB's did you come up with to be fished up? I've got hundreds to do, and with each one being 10-30K gold, you won't stay broke for long...

 

[Lady Tia]

I understand your frustration. Do some MIBs for awhile. It helps!

 

[pacific cruiser]

Dont give up they are out there to be had!!!

 

[popps]

Everytime I turn in a big order and get 100 zombie/black/stone/blue/king/golden/void, I just know that was the one that could of gave me the +20. Everytime I see a white ps I hold my breath and its a +10 dont get many +5 anymore. Im really frustrated, I hate to say how many quest I have done (im an idiot) but some of you can make a good quess. So I think that quitting the very 1st quest I every got really messed me up and no matter how many I do I will never get above +10.
sorry about long post

I wished you had kept a record of what type of orders got you 100 charges baits for zombie/black/stone/blue/king/golden/void because I just noticed another post where another fisherman claims to have received a 120 fishing PS from a 6-liner only having 2 types of dungeon fish (total points 240)

- 15 hummer lobsters
- 20 cobia
- 20 bluefish
- 10 Uncommon shiners
- 20 drake fish
- 20 tormented pike

my complaint is that the rewards are not too well handled by the system because too often I have seen much worse fishing orders in the end bring to players much better rewards.

That is why I wanted to compare some of the orders that brought you those baits with this one which yielded a 120 PS, to figure out whether this is yet another example of a worse order bringing in a much better reward than much better orders.

Personally, I think that the system should always be that much better orders give much better rewards. It is upsetting, I think, for players to see others with much worse orders turned in, get a much better reward.

I can only imagine with 7,000 baits for some types how many orders you must have done so far which means a whole lot of fishing and trapping.

I mean, I am "only" at 2,000 baits per some types and like 40 Lava Traps which is not even 1/3 of yours and I have done in the excess of 600 fishing orders with countless days, weeks spent all on fishing and trapping.

I even missed out all of the invasions because of the fishing so, I can imagine how much time you must have spent fishing.

Best wishes for more luck in the future and do not disregard they idea of getting your 120 binding up lower scrolls. From the numbers you gave you are about half way and should have like 4 or 5 115s so with a little more effort you might be able to make it there if not with a drop at least binding up your 120 fishing powerscroll.

 

[Sellingahouse]

Ok I sold my mibs to buy more crab/lobster. I paid for most of my fish so only spent 2 hours a day fishing at most. Here are some of the 100 bait reward quest, if you think really hard you can figure out my shorthand.
T-V
10 BC
10 SC
15 GRAY
20 DEMON
15 CTT
100 ZOMBIE

J-V
20 RL
20 GRAY
15 BONE
20 RED DR
15 ORC
100 BL MARLIN

V-S
15 BLUE
15 RED DR
15 BL GR
15 RBB
15 DARK
20 LURKER
100 SPRING DF

J-B
20 RL
20 HL
10 PUMP
20 SNTB
20 CTT
15 CRAG
100 BL MARLIN

B-P
10 HL
10 CL
20 AJ
20 CAPS
15 ORC
20 DARK
100 KING

P-J
10 MM
10 WALL
20 DRAKE
15 LURKER
100 STONE

B-M
20 RED GR
20 RED DR
20 BL GR
15 WALL
15 DEMON
10 ORC
100 STONE

B-T
20 GRAY
15 YFT
10 BONI
10 RED GR
15 SNTB
15 CTT
100 BL MARLIN

V-P
20 SNL
10 BSB
20 D CHUB
20 GRIM
15 LURKER
100 KING

M-V
20 KC
15 CL
15 TARP
15 RED SNOOK
20 D CHUB
15 CRAG
100 STONE

M-V
10 BSB
10 MM
15 RAIN
20 SNTB
20 ORC
20 IN TUNA
100 GOLDEN TUNA

M-S
10 AJ
15 DEMON
20 CRAG
20 IN TUNA
20 T PIKE
100 ZOMBIE

B-J
20 CAPE
10 D CHUB
20 CTT
10 DRAKE
20 DARK
100 BL MARLIN

V-B
15 HAD
20 COBI
20 BONI
10 BONE
15 GRIM
15 IN TUNA
100 BL MARLIN

M-S
15 RL
15 RED SNOOK
10 SHAD
15 BONE
20 CTT
20 T PIKE
100 STONE

J-S
20 BC
20 TARP
10 BLUE
15 BONE
15 CTT
20 DARK
100 BL MARLIN

P-J
10 SL
20 MM
15 DEMON
20 GRIM
20 ORC
10 T PIKE
100 KING

M-B
20 SL
20 TARP
10 MM
20 D CHUB
20 ORC
20 CRAG
100 SPRING DF

T-M
15 HAD
20 CAPE
20 BLUE
20 US
20 D CHUB
15 LURKER
100 VOID

P-T
20 HAD
10 D CHUB
20 CTT
10 DRAKE
20 DARK
100 GOLDEN TUNA

I have always keep track of my quest. I tossed out all before the fishing patch we got last month. The last few hundred or so I kind of havent been keeping track of my rewards, kind of hard with multi quest, but i try.

 

[popps]

Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

I have always keep track of my quest. I tossed out all before the fishing patch we got last month. The last few hundred or so I kind of havent been keeping track of my rewards, kind of hard with multi quest, but i try.

Alright, keeping in mind that the other fellow fisherman got the 120 Fishing Powerscroll off of an order worth 240 Points, unless I made some mistakes with either the initials or summing up the points, I came up with what follows.

Of all the 19 orders you listed, 3 of them were above the 240 Points. You had one for 280 points and 2 for 255 points. On those 3, you were certainly wronged with better orders giving you a much worse reward...

But there is also something else with struck me.....

You had the same reward (100 charges baits for Stone Fish) coming from 4 different orders one which was for 135 Points and the other 3 for 210, 230 and 235 Points !!!

To my opinion, given the informations so far I have seen, something seems to be really messed up with the way rewards are handled as too often better orders end up giving worse rewards than worse orders or even the same reward is being given by different orders which are very, but very far away in their value (135 points vs. 235 !!).

Not good, IMHO.

Trinsic to Vesper
10 Blue Crab
10 Snow Crab
15 Crag Snapper
20 Demon Trout
15 Cutthroat Trout
Total Points 190 = 100 charges Bait for Zombie Fish

Jhelom to Vesper
20 Rock Lobster
20 Crag Snapper
15 Bonefish
20 Red Drum
15 Orc Bass
Total Points 215 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Vesper to Skara Brae
15 Bluefish
15 Red Drum
15 Blue Grouper
15 Redbelly Bream
15 Darkfish
20 Lurker Fish
Total Points 190 = 100 charges Bait for Spring Dragonfish

Jhelom to Britain
20 Rock Lobster
20 Hummer Lobster
10 Pumpkinseed Sunfish
20 Snaggletooth Bass
20 Cutthroat Trout
15 Crag Snapper
Total Points 255 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Britian to Papua
10 Hummer Lobster
10 Crusty Lobster
20 Amberjack
20 Captain Snook
15 Orc Bass
20 Darkfish
Total Points 225 = 100 charges Bait for Kingfish

Papua to Jhelom
10 Mahi-Mahi
10 Walleye
20 Drake Fish
15 Lurker Fish
Total Points 135 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

Britain to Moonglow
20 Red Grouper
20 Red Drum
20 Blue Grouper
15 Walleye
15 Demon Trout
10 Orc Bass
Total Points 210 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

Britain to Trinsic
20 Gray Snapper
15 Yellowfin Tuna
10 Bonito
10 Red Grouper
15 Snaggletooth Bass
15 Cutthroat Trout
Total Points 200 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Vesper to Papua
20 Shovel-Nose Lobster
10 Black Seabass
20 Dungeon Chub
20 Grim Cisco
15 Lurker Fish
Total Points 225 = 100 charges Bait for Kingfish

Moonglow to Vesper
20 King Crab
15 Crusty Lobster
15 Tarpon
15 Red Snook
20 Dungeon Chub
15 Crag Snapper
Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

Moonglow to Vesper
10 Black Seabass
10 Mahi-Mahi
15 Rainbow Trout
20 Snaggletooth Bass
20 Orc Bass
20 Infernal Tuna
Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Golden Tuna

Moonglow to Skara Brae
10 Amberjack
15 Demon Trout
20 Crag Snapper
20 Infernal Tuna
20 Tormented Pike
Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Zombie Fish

Britain to Jhelom
20 Cape Cod
10 Dungeon Chub
20 Cutthroat Trout
10 Drake Fish
20 Darkfish
Total Points 220 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Vesper to Britain
15 Haddock
20 Cobia
20 Bonito
10 Bonefish
15 Grim Cisco
15 Infernal Tuna
Total Points 220 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Moonglow to Skara Brae
15 Rock Lobster
15 Red Snook
10 Shad
15 Bonefish
20 Cutthroat Trout
20 Tormented Pike
Total Points 230 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

Jhelom to Skara Brae
20 Blue Crab
20 Tarpon
10 Bluefish
15 Bonefish
15 Cutthroat Trout
20 Darkfish
Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Papua to Jhelom
10 Spiney Lobster
20 Mahi-Mahi
15 Demon Trout
20 Grim Cisco
20 Orc Bass
10 Tormented Pike
Total Points 255 = 100 charges Bait for Kingfish

Moonglow to Britain
20 Spiney Lobster
20 Tarpon
10 Mahi-Mahi
20 Dungeon Chub
20 Orc Bass
20 Crag Snapper
Total Points 280 = 100 charges Bait for Spring Dragonfish

Trinsic to Moonglow
15 Haddock
20 Cape Cod
20 Bluefish
20 Uncommon Shiner
20 Dungeon Chub
15 Lurker Fish
Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Void Crab

Papua to Trinsic
20 Haddock
10 Dungeon Chub
20 Cutthroat Trout
10 Drake Fish
20 Darkfish
Total Points 220 = 100 charges Bait for Golden Tuna

 

[Sellingahouse]

Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

Dont think it matters but it is stone fish bait not stone crab. Would any other information help you figure out the reward chart, if you havent already.

 

[popps]

Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

Dont think it matters but it is stone fish bait not stone crab. Would any other information help you figure out the reward chart, if you havent already.

Not sure, without knowing much about how it was thought, designed and coded we are really in the dark and can only go starting with the end results to make some reason of what is going on here.

For example, I think 240 Points is the bare minimum that 120 Fishing Powerscrolls are awarded.

I am saying this, because so far I have yet to hear of an order below this which awarded a 120 PS.

Besides, you had several orders very close to 240 but still below it and they yielded no 120.

So, I assume until new informations comes up that the bare minimum to get a 120 PS is 240 points. This said, since the max possible is 360 points (a 6-liner all of 20 dungeon fish...), the one order you had for 280 points was really a very strong candidate for a 120 PS.

At that high level, the 40 points over 240 really mean a lot and make that order you had a really good one.

I am astonished that it yet awarded a 100 charges bait for Spring Dragonfish especially, since the same exact reward you also got it from a 190 points order.

I mean, we have 2 different orders 135 points and 235 giving the same reward (Stone Fish) and then we have 2 other separate orders for 190 points and an incredible 280 points giving the same reward, 100 charges bait for Spring Dragonfish.

I really think something is messed up. That 280 points order should have no doubt awarded you with a 120 PS especially since you already got the 100 charges bait for Spring Dragonfish with a mere 190 points order.....

 

[Sellingahouse]

Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

This is the rarer baits i have.
200 spring dragon fish
300 zombie
400 void crab
400 golden tuna
500 giant samurai
600 blue marlin
600 black marlin
700 kingfish
800 stonefish

 

[popps]

Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

This is the rarer baits i have.
200 spring dragon fish
300 zombie
400 void crab
400 golden tuna
500 giant samurai
600 blue marlin
600 black marlin
700 kingfish
800 stonefish

Hmmm, apparently the spring dragon fish bait is considered a rare one by the game engine since you have been given it only 2 times (100 charges times 2...).

But then, if it is a rare occurrancy, this could explain why you got it for the 280 points order but NOT why you also got it for the 190 points order.....

Whichever logic I try to approach to figure out the way that the system is handled, I find it messed up...

Besides, why on earth would spring dragon fish baits be considered so much rare ?

I mean, this rare fish can only be used for Trophies, not for magic pies buffs....

Yet, the game engine sees spring dragon fish baits as a rarer drop than a 120 fishing PS as if such a trophy would be of a higher value than a 120 fishing powerscroll ?

Excuse me ?

And this still does not explain why on earth something so rare to need a 280 points order to be awarded is then also delivered by a mere 190 points one.......

I can't help thinking how it is all messed up........

 

[Mapper]

Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

Hmmm, apparently the spring dragon fish bait is considered a rare one by the game engine since you have been given it only 2 times (100 charges times 2...).

But then, if it is a rare occurrancy, this could explain why you got it for the 280 points order but NOT why you also got it for the 190 points order.....

Whichever logic I try to approach to figure out the way that the system is handled, I find it messed up...

Besides, why on earth would spring dragon fish baits be considered so much rare ?

I mean, this rare fish can only be used for Trophies, not for magic pies buffs....

Yet, the game engine sees spring dragon fish baits as a rarer drop than a 120 fishing PS as if such a trophy would be of a higher value than a 120 fishing powerscroll ?

Excuse me ?

And this still does not explain why on earth something so rare to need a 280 points order to be awarded is then also delivered by a mere 190 points one.......

I can't help thinking how it is all messed up........

I wouldn't call the Spring Dragon fish the rarest out of that, Very small sample size.

 

[popps]

Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

I wouldn't call the Spring Dragon fish the rarest out of that, Very small sample size.

Understandable point of view but we also need to consider that these are high end rewards, the very top end rewards and so, there ain't many of them around to gather a larger sample......

Besides, we do know as a fact that a 100 charges bait for a Spring Dragonfish was awarded off of a whopping 280 points order.

If such a high end order gives such a reward this means to me (or should mean.....) that the game itself sees this particular item as a hell of a rarity and valuable reward....

Why would anyone want to get a 120 fishing powerscroll as a reward for a 280 points fishing order ? A 100 charges bait for a Spring Dragonfish that can only be used to make a Trophy (and which a simple 190 points order also can bring home...) sounds a much better and more valuable reward.......
/sarcasm

Go figure........

 

[Gowron]

I'd like to see those point values that are being assigned. Those orders don't seem to be fully high end.

 

[popps]

I'd like to see those point values that are being assigned. Those orders don't seem to be fully high end.

Values where indicated by Mark of Mythic in a post time ago.

Shallow Water fish count 1 point each
Deep Water fish and named crabs/lobsters count 2 points each
Dungeon fish count 3 points each.

He also answered to the query that named crabs/lobsters were bugged and not counting for 2 points and said they were, this was checked, is my understanding.

 

[Umfufu]

Values where indicated by Mark of Mythic in a post time ago.

Shallow Water fish count 1 point each
Deep Water fish and named crabs/lobsters count 2 points each
Dungeon fish count 3 points each.

He also answered to the query that named crabs/lobsters were bugged and not counting for 2 points and said they were, this was checked, is my understanding.

it is still not fixed ...
those who keep track of thier quests can prove this ...
crabs still count as 0.5

But after the way the devs have kinda insulted the fishing community, by tossing in a few more PS, and barely touch all rest of the broken stuff, thinking that would shut us all up ...
Not responding to concerns and in live chat not even knowing what was going on after multiple threads explaining this (in one which he even bothered to post and answer but never followed up on).

I mean he still thinks the baits are the treats of the whole fishing quests cause with this we can make the uber fishing pies, that not many can sell if thier life depended on it ....

I honestely cannot be arsed anymore to explain.

Pardon my french ...

 

[Kas Althume]

For a deep water fish quest (20 fish) i get 20 charges bait. For a crab quest (20 crabs) i get 10 charge bait. How can they even "confirm" that both give 2 points each when the rewards clearly point out that crabs and lobsters still count only half ...

 

[Gowron]

Values where indicated by Mark of Mythic in a post time ago.

Shallow Water fish count 1 point each
Deep Water fish and named crabs/lobsters count 2 points each
Dungeon fish count 3 points each.

He also answered to the query that named crabs/lobsters were bugged and not counting for 2 points and said they were, this was checked, is my understanding.

Thanks for the reply popps, however, I'm still experiencing that the crabs/lobsters are only getting 0.5 points. I'd recommend counting as such, until things are actually working as intended...

 

[Gowron]

Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

Alright, keeping in mind that the other fellow fisherman got the 120 Fishing Powerscroll off of an order worth 240 Points, unless I made some mistakes with either the initials or summing up the points, I came up with what follows.

Of all the 19 orders you listed, 3 of them were above the 240 Points. You had one for 280 points and 2 for 255 points. On those 3, you were certainly wronged with better orders giving you a much worse reward...

But there is also something else with struck me.....

You had the same reward (100 charges baits for Stone Fish) coming from 4 different orders one which was for 135 Points and the other 3 for 210, 230 and 235 Points !!!

To my opinion, given the informations so far I have seen, something seems to be really messed up with the way rewards are handled as too often better orders end up giving worse rewards than worse orders or even the same reward is being given by different orders which are very, but very far away in their value (135 points vs. 235 !!).

Not good, IMHO.

Trinsic to Vesper
10 Blue Crab
10 Snow Crab
15 Crag Snapper
20 Demon Trout
15 Cutthroat Trout
Total Points 150 = 100 charges Bait for Zombie Fish

Jhelom to Vesper
20 Rock Lobster
20 Crag Snapper
15 Bonefish
20 Red Drum
15 Orc Bass
Total Points 150 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Vesper to Skara Brae
15 Bluefish
15 Red Drum
15 Blue Grouper
15 Redbelly Bream
15 Darkfish
20 Lurker Fish
Total Points 165 = 100 charges Bait for Spring Dragonfish

Jhelom to Britain
20 Rock Lobster
20 Hummer Lobster
10 Pumpkinseed Sunfish
20 Snaggletooth Bass
20 Cutthroat Trout
15 Crag Snapper
Total Points 195 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Britian to Papua
10 Hummer Lobster
10 Crusty Lobster
20 Amberjack
20 Captain Snook
15 Orc Bass
20 Darkfish
Total Points 155 = 100 charges Bait for Kingfish

Papua to Jhelom
10 Mahi-Mahi
10 Walleye
20 Drake Fish
15 Lurker Fish
Total Points 125 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

Britain to Moonglow
20 Red Grouper
20 Red Drum
20 Blue Grouper
15 Walleye
15 Demon Trout
10 Orc Bass
Total Points 150 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

Britain to Trinsic
20 Gray Snapper
15 Yellowfin Tuna
10 Bonito
10 Red Grouper
15 Snaggletooth Bass
15 Cutthroat Trout
Total Points 145 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Vesper to Papua
20 Shovel-Nose Lobster
10 Black Seabass
20 Dungeon Chub
20 Grim Cisco
15 Lurker Fish
Total Points 185 = 100 charges Bait for Kingfish

Moonglow to Vesper
20 King Crab
15 Crusty Lobster
15 Tarpon
15 Red Snook
20 Dungeon Chub
15 Crag Snapper
Total Points 152 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

Moonglow to Vesper
10 Black Seabass
10 Mahi-Mahi
15 Rainbow Trout
20 Snaggletooth Bass
20 Orc Bass
20 Infernal Tuna
Total Points 215 = 100 charges Bait for Golden Tuna

Moonglow to Skara Brae
10 Amberjack
15 Demon Trout
20 Crag Snapper
20 Infernal Tuna
20 Tormented Pike
Total Points 235 = 100 charges Bait for Zombie Fish

Britain to Jhelom
20 Cape Cod
10 Dungeon Chub
20 Cutthroat Trout
10 Drake Fish
20 Darkfish
Total Points 200 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Vesper to Britain
15 Haddock
20 Cobia
20 Bonito
10 Bonefish
15 Grim Cisco
15 Infernal Tuna
Total Points 155 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Moonglow to Skara Brae
15 Rock Lobster
15 Red Snook
10 Shad
15 Bonefish
20 Cutthroat Trout
20 Tormented Pike
Total Points 167 = 100 charges Bait for Stone Fish

Jhelom to Skara Brae
20 Blue Crab
20 Tarpon
10 Bluefish
15 Bonefish
15 Cutthroat Trout
20 Darkfish
Total Points 160 = 100 charges Bait for Blue Marlin

Papua to Jhelom
10 Spiney Lobster
20 Mahi-Mahi
15 Demon Trout
20 Grim Cisco
20 Orc Bass
10 Tormented Pike
Total Points 220 = 100 charges Bait for Kingfish

Moonglow to Britain
20 Spiney Lobster
20 Tarpon
10 Mahi-Mahi
20 Dungeon Chub
20 Orc Bass
20 Crag Snapper
Total Points 220 = 100 charges Bait for Spring Dragonfish

Trinsic to Moonglow
15 Haddock
20 Cape Cod
20 Bluefish
20 Uncommon Shiner
20 Dungeon Chub
15 Lurker Fish
Total Points 180 = 100 charges Bait for Void Crab

Papua to Trinsic
20 Haddock
10 Dungeon Chub
20 Cutthroat Trout
10 Drake Fish
20 Darkfish
Total Points 200 = 100 charges Bait for Golden Tuna

Popps, I've gone through the list you provided and changed the points to reflect 0.5 for named crabs/lobsters and 1 point for regular named fish. I've kept the 3 points for dungeon fish as I still need to take record of my rewards from turn in...

How much do these numbers change the equation?

 

[popps]

Re: 36 +10 fishing scrolls later 135 Stone Crab 210 230 235

Popps, I've gone through the list you provided and changed the points to reflect 0.5 for named crabs/lobsters and 1 point for regular named fish. I've kept the 3 points for dungeon fish as I still need to take record of my rewards from turn in...

How much do these numbers change the equation?

Well, the fishing order which I was relating to was

- 15 Hummer Lobsters
- 20 Cobia
- 20 Bluefish
- 10 Uncommon Shiner
- 20 Drake Fish
- 20 Tormented Pike

I calculated the total points as per Mark of Mythic information :

- 15 Hummer Lobsters = 30 points (2 per)
- 20 Cobia = 40 points (2 per)
- 20 Bluefish = 40 points (2 per)
- 10 Uncommon Shiner = 10 points (1 per)
- 20 Drake Fish = 60 points (3 per)
- 20 Tormented Pike = 60 points (3 per)

Total comes 30 + 40 + 40 + 10 + 60 + 60 = 240 Points

This awarded a 120 Fishing Powerscroll.

Now, changing the points as you said, we get :

- 15 Hummer Lobsters = 7.5 points (0.5 per)
- 20 Cobia = 20 points (1 per)
- 20 Bluefish = 20 points (1 per)
- 10 Uncommon Shiner = 10 points (1 per)
- 20 Drake Fish = 60 points (3 per)
- 20 Tormented Pike = 60 points (3 per)

Total comes 7.5 + 20 + 20 + 10 + 60 + 60 = 177.5 Points

"If" that is the actual points that the game engine calcolated as meritable to award a 120 Fishing Powerscroll, moreso any fishing order above it should award a 120 Fishing Powerscroll.

With the numbers corrected according to your hypothesys, Sellingahouse would have had 8 orders better than 177.5 total point value with a best one at 235 points (the other analysis considered 3 better orders).
For all of these 8 orders Sellingahouse was wronged not receiving a 120 Fishing scroll (8 better orders gave much worse reward, the bait, than a much worse order.....).

 

[soulstoner]

Basing the equation for bait charges rewarded currently (in my Atlantic world):

{0.5 x [summed crated value]= q bait charges received}
applying 1 point each to the named crabs & lobsters.​

makes me sad to give up my hard shells if they are not being counted as intended
*ponders* maybe the Atlantic fish mongers are skimming off the top/scamming

 

[Umfufu]

Using Bait rewards as reference is it still:

Crabs 0.5
Shore 0.5
Deepsea 1.0
Dungeon 1.5

 

[soulstoner]

Right. How ever the 0.5 is applied to Mark's value assignments below, the lobster and crabs are not functioning properly in the simple computations with our current assumptions factoring in the bait reward quantities.

Not sure how you arrived at your point values but it's not quite right.

There are only groups, one is shallow water fish, they count 1x
Deep sea and lobsters and crabs are counted 2x
dungeon fish are counted 3x

so, with an order of 6 fish at 20 appiece... that is going to be between 120 and 360 depending on the combination.

I suppose you might be calculating based on the quantities of bait since the quantity is connected.

The main reason I wanted to reveal that information is because I wanted you to know that the more difficult to catch fish were going to be worth more. I have not revealed anywhere the brackets for the various rewards.

Anyway, just wanted to clear that up. Thank you all for being so passionate about fishing!

While we're quoting the devs' tidbits:

How does the reputation work with the Fish Monger quests?Will there be a way to view one's reputation?How much is lost by dropping a quest?-------------Gone Fishing <{///}<

Shade:
· You gain reputation by completing orders. The more orders you complete, the better chance that when a fishmonger has a big order, they will give the business to you. The maximum possible quantity requested for any line item is 20. The maximum number of line items is 6. This means, that the largest possible order can contain 120 fish. The rewards change with the size of the order. Some rewards are exclusive to certain order size brackets.
· As in life, your reputation with the fishmongers is not quantifiable in a single number like a stat. If you want to see how good your reputation is, see how many big orders you have in your hold.
· If you drop a fishmonger quest, you drop a reputation level on each of the fish in the order. If you have a quest for 10 haddock and you drop the quest, the next time a fish monger asks you for haddock you will be asked for 5. It can never go lower than 5. The quantity levels are 5, 10, 15, 20 but you start at 10. There is no other penalty, so don’t worry if you have to dump your orders to dry dock you ship. However, know that being fickle will hurt your reputation in UO as it does in life.

 

[vvvaaannn]

I am the one with the +20 scroll off the listed quest. I suspect everyone is misintepreting how the system works. I "suspect" that as the "weight" increases it "unlocks" the possibility for better and better rewards, but DOES NOT dictate any particular reward in and of itself. (BTW, I also think this is exactly how the system works for whether or not you get a rare fish) In other words, at quest of X weight (one that meets the manditory minimum) for a given reward tier (I suspect that the +20 is in the same tier as the rarest baits) the +20 is merely added to the list of possible rewards, and then you are at the mercy of the RNG. I base this upon my own observations, along with the numerous posted results of other fisherman outlining some the results of a "good" quest generating a "poor" reward. I can think of MANY decent quests that generated the "lowest" level rewards (i.e book of more damn yellowtail bait). On another topic, does anyone care to post the contents of the level 5 and 6 books? Best of luck to all with the vageries of the RNG.

 

[Sellingahouse]

Well I knew I couldnt quit, hoping next one was it. Yesterday I did quest and got 5 more +10s and one +5.