Wow that map was awesome what else did you see?Awful quiet in this thread.
Gonna be playing vaporware soon!
Go ahead and deny it will release. Step up.Wow that map was awesome what else did you see?
I'd happily be wrong but we still have not seen anything other than a TC2Go ahead and deny it will release. Step up.
Not much of a step up. Can you ever make a decision one way or another? You never say yes, never say no, so you think you cant be wrong.I'd happily be wrong but we still have not seen anything other than a TC2
Probably because this thread started back in May 2022 and we've had like 2 updates from the Dev team about NL since then.... there is only so much speculation that can be done. It's been quiet in this thread for months at a time when there haven't been any updates (before July, the last comment was in May)...and last time I checked UO.com there wasn't any update on there about NL and there hasn't been a newsletter sent out.Awful quiet in this thread.
Gonna be playing vaporware soon!
I love how them putting up something called TC2 is supposed to be some kind of ”gotcha.”Probably because this thread started back in May 2022 and we've had like 2 updates from the Dev team about NL since then.... there is only so much speculation that can be done. It's been quiet in this thread for months at a time when there haven't been any updates (before July, the last comment was in May)...and last time I checked UO.com there wasn't any update on there about NL and there hasn't been a newsletter sent out.
I'll quote you... "they will let us know when there is something to know about NL". So until then, what else would are you expecting to see in this thread?
This is exactly the problem, even on the official forums. Anytime people start complaining about the lack of communication, people get upset and begin to say that the players are the problem.I find it disappointing that the management of UO has gotten this bad but yet the pom pom wavers are acting like those of us who are getting frustrated are the problem.
The all knowing @Pawain says it's alpha and lord knows he speaks for MesannaTC2 has been up for almost a week now, and we've heard... yeah, I thought so. So much for that Alpha announcement mentioned six months ago
C'mon... they logged on for 4 hours total that one day in July for the Summer BBQ to show they were interested and hard at work the entire summer (hence the zero communication for 3-4 months)! I guess it's easy to forget since Mesanna tore it all down within 30min of the event being over.What have they done to show a ounce of interest?
Shocked? Not really, it's just been a bad week and I'm more annoyed that certain posters feel those of us voicing concern are the real problem - “They just released alpha see! See! You guys are mean. Messena did nothing wrong! Leave her alone!”Why are any of you guys shocked?
So what 26 year old game do you produce that has 4 other team members? I'd like to critique what you think is a good job. Oh, its vapor ware...Shocked? Not really, it's just been a bad week and I'm more annoyed that certain posters feel those of us voicing concern are the real problem - “They just released alpha see! See! You guys are mean. Messena did nothing wrong! Leave her alone!”
I do what she does for a living, and if my performance was at her level I’d be out of a job. The lack of accountability is nearly as discouraging as the lack of communication. The fact some people won't accept that irks me (though my being irked at some people who have their heads in the sand really is a “me” issue I suppose).
Thank you for showing us just how horrible of a PM Mesanna is. She only has 4 people (technically 5 since Parallax joined 1.5 years ago) under her to manage and she can't even effectively do that.So what 26 year old game do you produce that has 4 other team members? I'd like to critique what you think is a good job. Oh, its vapor ware...
Honestly, no credentials I give you are going to mean anything to you as you’ve repeatedly shown that you have no understanding of SDLC or PMO.So what 26 year old game do you produce that has 4 other team members? I'd like to critique what you think is a good job. Oh, its vapor ware...
Using facts in any discussion with Pawain uselessHonestly, no credentials I give you are going to mean anything to you as you’ve repeatedly shown that you have no understanding of SDLC or PMO.
As for the team size, that’s irrelevent as it’s not the team size nor the speed of development that is the issue but rather the complete breakdown or project management basics. Standard outputs for a product manager as follows
1) Roadmap of high level initatives - These are generally lacking in details but give the overall accomplishments that the team is looking to acheive. This goes beyond listing out planned events though that is part of it.
2) Status Reports - REGULAR updates regarding milestones and delays. Delays happen, they’re ok to happen, but they need to be communicated. We’re not owed some detailed explaination as to why, but we also deserve better than an excuse that’s obviously BS.
3) Functionality Demos - As features are developed product demos are given to key stakeholders. There is an arguement here that the players are not the key stakeholder but rather the product being sold to the shareholders. However, in this case development demos serve to keep the player (e.g., the product) engaged
Those three things alone would solve the majority of the current disastisfaction amongst the player base. Sure, you’re always going to have those people who are going to rant over some item giving +5% instead of +15% or the color of some rando garbage, but that’s noise that gets lost amongst a happy and engaged player base.
Here are three easy things that Messena should consider
1) Stop the M&G - She’s not prepared to answer questions off the cuff and to be blunt she is not a people person. You can tell she clearly does not like interacting with people who aren’t going to bow at her feet
2) Publish a Monthly Newsletter - Could be a newsletter, blog, vlog, whatever the medium is really not as critical as long as it is consistent and quality. It’s obvious the newsletter quality has dropped significantly. Take questions from the community just as you would the M&G but provide meaningful answers instead of “we’ll look into it.” Provide meaningful updates regarding the state of the game though the news letter would be smaller updates not the big reveals.
3) Provide Quarterly updates as to the state of the game - This is where they should be discussing the roadmap and showing demos of work
No one minds that YOU don't want or need communication it's you fighting against it that bothers peopleSo you two also need a sticky note on your PC that says, NL is not ready yet. Daily communication and you will be happy.
All the years I have played games, I usually do not know who or how many developers they have. Nor have I waited for a newsletter. I play for entertainment, when that game stops entertaining me, I move to another.
No, I need someone to do their job. If you don’t want to know what’s going on with the game or the development team then that’s your perogative. I need this team to act responsible to the player base as any other successsful MMO studio does. You’ll never get this thru your head, but the players asking for communication are not the problem.So you two also need a sticky note on your PC that says, NL is not ready yet. Daily communication and you will be happy.
All the years I have played games, I usually do not know who or how many developers they have. Nor have I waited for a newsletter. I play for entertainment, when that game stops entertaining me, I move to another.
Ding ding dingNo one minds that YOU don't want or need communication it's you fighting against it that bothers people
This isn't 1997, and it isn't how modern business works. Sorry, you're stuck in the past. You can have things discoverable; no one is saying that the Devs need to spoon-feed everything ahead of time. However, in the current age of MMO development, the wall of silence doesn't work in a landscape of choices.I accept the way UO has been since 1997. They never gave details. They created new things, we discovered how to use them.
The nostalgic players want a world that is not discovered, until you discover it.
People wanting everything handed to them so they can consume it in 15 mins are the exact people that complained about Millenials and Gen Z wanting everything handed to them.
Again ok ignore communication just stop lobbying against it as it doesn't hurt youI accept the way UO has been since 1997. They never gave details. They created new things, we discovered how to use them.
The nostalgic players want a world that is not discovered, until you discover it.
People wanting everything handed to them so they can consume it in 15 mins are the exact people that complained about Millenials and Gen Z wanting everything handed to them.
How do we know they have been working on NL all this time. Because they told us they will make dynamic events for us to do while they work on it until it is done.Again ok ignore communication just stop lobbying against it as it doesn't hurt you
Again that's enough communication for YOU so shut up and quit attacking everyone else who wants moreHow do we know they have been working on NL all this time. Because they told us they will make dynamic events for us to do while they work on it until it is done.
That's all the communication needed. It is not released yet. Funny how we know what they are doing but you act like you have no clue, even posting in the NL forums. Are you really that clueless? I guess you do not know some are playing NL in Alpha right now. Yall remind me of the movie, don't look up.
See that's a BS excuse i never complain after they've communicated and what type of messiah complex do you have to feel the need to defend the poor developersThe problem is, you would complain if they had a daily update. More is undefined. They have given us enough to let us know what they are doing, otherwise there would be no one here to already deem NL as a failure. Why? Because we have had enough communication for people to decide whether or not they like the Classic shard that they are making before it is made. That is not from a lack of communication.
More excuses everyone knows how you feel just stop telling others what they want or need is wrongI just understand that it takes 5 people a while to make a game. It takes hundreds to thousands to make any other game now. I have no complex unless understanding reality is a complex. How does complaining here make them go faster? Or do anything positive for UO?
I see that yall never look at game credits.
It's not about NL we understand nondisclosure it's about multi years of silence from Mesanna about anythingI think the idea is intentionally to not give anyone any details on NL at this point so that when we get in, it will be a whole world of new things to discover and learn about. I’m into that.
I find all of the bickering about NL to be a waste of time but that’s me I guess.
Do we actually know what they are doing though? They apparently weren't doing very much when Mesanna was out because that was one of the reasons they gave for one of the many delays.Funny how we know what they are doing but you act like you have no clue, even posting in the NL forums. Are you really that clueless?
You once again miss the ENTIRE point of why people are frustrated with the current team.Punish them for thinking they could do many things with NL if you must.
They or any other game developer is going to tell you they messed up.You once again miss the ENTIRE point of why people are frustrated with the current team.
If you brought your car into the shop and the mechanic say "No updates" every week you call, how long before you start to wonder if he's even working on your car?
And diablo ate up all the free publicity they could with communication while Mesanna couldn't be bothered even for the historical 25th anniversaryWhen NL is released yall are going to say they must have done it in a week? Trying to make me believe they are not working on it is not going to happen. Kyronix is a lot more professional than anyone here.
4000 people take 3 years to make a game. 5 people take time. Diablo 4 had 9 thousand people working on it.
There were many articles about the 25th anniversary. What are you talking about.And diablo ate up all the free publicity they could with communication while Mesanna couldn't be bothered even for the historical 25th anniversary
If by "soon" you mean 2025 at the earliestAwful quiet in this thread.
Gonna be playing vaporware soon!
Well some are playing it in beta right now. She gave some info.If by "soon" you mean 2025 at the earliest
You; not going to dispute something.... Are you feeling alright?So your date is not something I am gonna dispute.
Dec 2024 was my first thought as well, but now I'm wonder if that math is going to hold up. They're running Alpha for a year, so six months for Beta feels like that's going to be short. I'm hopeful for Dec 2024 but Q1/Q2 2025 may be the more accurate timeline based on what we know.Well some are playing it in beta right now. She gave some info.
This beta lasting 2 months. Then another round till mid next year. Then open Beta.
So your date is not something I am gonna dispute.
My guess is now. Dec 2024. So we are close together.
I'm wondering how many subscribers they will lose by then simply from natural causes. Unfortunately their audience is dwindling as health issues & cost of living both increase.I'm hopeful for Dec 2024 but Q1/Q2 2025 may be the more accurate timeline based on what we know.