figured as much... I'm not going to test center to kill you. I was hoping that you would play on Atlantic at least (seeing as the "pvper's" (lol) play there...)
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You don't pvp on Atlantic, thus you don't fight "pvpers". (it's not completely true, but it does explain a lot to everyone here)I don't pvp and your buddy is still scared of me?
I'm not scared of you bud. I was going to record it and everything, instead I recorded someone else dying to me. after I told you
I just don't feel like copying my character to TC1 and copying macros just to kill you. when (if you were a pvper) you'd already be for fighting me on a real Atlantic.
Yeah you died, good one
Outside the arena to you & trevor ganking because one of you didn't like that I wanted to cast Wall before it started; I forget which one I was supposed to fight. Good job.
It takes about 30 seconds to copy macros/character to test. Shut this guy up and show us how dumb he is. I have dealt with a lot of Euorpa trash in my day- the only character than they stand a chance on 1v1 is 4/6 chiv.
I actually agree that the temp was useless before the buff. The people you may have killed I would guess are really bad.
Well, that's your opinion (on it being useless) and alot of people still think it's useless. -"It's not the template you choose, it's how you use it!"
I'm curious as to who is "Good" in your opinion though.
Since this thread no longer seems to be about balance- let me know some of the people you killed with it and I will give you my opinion on them.
Edit: PM me if that is a thing on this site
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I think I read in here at some point that they are planning on fixing double conflags? Does anyone have a link to upcoming changes?
Not sure if it's elsewhere, but this is the closest thing to official I found with a quick search: Discussing Balance
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Folks, I've made numerous warnings on this already... please stop the snippiness and personal swipes.
It doesn't matter what shard you're on or how good you are... everyone is entitled to their opinion when commenting on issues that will ultimately affect both PVP and PVM. Leave your personal issues with one another at the front door.
Thanks.
It doesn't matter what shard you're on or how good you are... everyone is entitled to their opinion when commenting on issues that will ultimately affect both PVP and PVM. Leave your personal issues with one another at the front door.
Thanks.
Ah. Pretty Vague. Would like it if he could elaborate.
Conflags do need an altering for sure. They are in tight spots very OP. They are dodge-able I guess. I just hope they don't completely nerf them along with novas and make Alchemy back to useless for a different hybrid element to pvp. But tweak them..maybe make 0-80 Alchemy only able to throw one and at GM Alchemy you can throw double conflags. Drop on suit Enhance potion cap to 35% up Alchemy to 40% at GM. Would drop damage of Novas and conflags, but not make them completely useless. It would open more options for jewls and more hybrid templates. Or keep enhance potions in a suit capped at 50% and up Alchemy at GM to 50% but it doesn't stack. There's plenty of ways to alter and balance it, just don't completely nerf it to useless.
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I was under the impression this included double conflags.
I think they should hard cap EP at 50, this would give the player a choice to either have EP on jewels or run the skill for the 50 EP. This would lower the overall damage of the potions. Alchemy is a crafting skill anyway, it shouldn't really buff pvp consumables. Alchemy as it is now is broken in its calculations. A greater heal pot does 30 hp at 50 ep and doubles to 60 hp with alchemy which is a 100% bonus not 30% more. If it was me I would remove alchemy from pvp completely, but since they probably won't, I suggest the above solution to it.
Alchemy @100.0 = +50% Base potion effect Then increase that by up to an additional 80% EP.
to me, double conflags are a non-issue. It's considered a "bug" that's the only reason I think it should be fixed. -People won't even consider switching Alchemy to another skill because conflags aren't the problem.
The issue is the amount consumable items heal or deal damage vs Spells & specials that actually take mana and/or have cast times & skill points to make it possible in the first place.
to me, double conflags are a non-issue. It's considered a "bug" that's the only reason I think it should be fixed. -People won't even consider switching Alchemy to another skill because conflags aren't the problem.
The issue is the amount consumable items heal or deal damage vs Spells & specials that actually take mana and/or have cast times & skill points to make it possible in the first place.
I never really thought alchemy to be an issue in pvp.
I agree they should be scaled correctly, but that'd be about it.
It's interesting about the healing pot. I'll have to test that tonight.
I've been meaning to try nova damage against a cursed target. If it's only 25 damage even with alchemy vs whatever it without it seems minor to me.
The double conflags can easily double that though if you make the mistake of running through them.
Well we all know what assuming does!
So help me out, I went to test center with 100 alchemy and 50 EP on a ring and the heal pots were only doing 36/37.
On a side note Test Center just went down must be patching soon?
Interesting, i took alchemy off and heal pots did the same amount.
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I don't think 50ep should be equivalent to 100 skill points in alchemy. That should be a non-starter.
All that would do is free up 100 skill points for pvpers to put elsewhere as 50 ep is pretty much the norm on a suit now.
That's because Alchemy doesn't change Heal potions it makes cures more effective, makes strength agility higher and damage higher for conflags novas. Nova damage is scaled pretty well IMO
50 EP 100 Alchemy on a cursed target novas do 35 damage
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Actually, it does. With 50% EP only, I heal mid-30's with gheal pots. With Alchemy I've gotten about 45 with heal pots.
If healing potions healed the same amount with/without Alchemy, you didn't use enough potions. the minimum healed With Alchemy < maximum without alchemy.
Greater Heal Potions
0 EP + 0 Alchemy = 25 average
0 EP + 100.0 Alchemy = 34 average \
50 EP + 0 alchemy = 35 average /
50 EP + 100.0 Alchemy = 39 average
It scales differently when it comes to potions that deal damage (conflags/supernova) That's where the +50% (Base potion) effect from alchemy skill shines. that's not the same thing as the +30% EP bonus.
Really all I was doing was refuting this "A greater heal pot does 30 hp at 50 ep and doubles to 60 hp with alchemy which is a 100% bonus not 30% more." with actual numbers.
I did think it would help more than it did.
I used 5 pots on each, and only one did 39 points of healing.
So could be but the dude saying they're doing 60 points of healing is waaayyyyy of base.
Yea 60 is an over-exaggeration for sure. the most I've been healed by a potion was 43. IMO that's still too much considering it's a consumable item. & Magery> G-heal spell = ~52 but it takes time to cast & is also interruptible.
Maybe this is why your so leet at UO! You have special potions!!
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Or maybe your math is wrong. Would you like screenshots of me using 50% EP + Alchemy when I chug a gheal pot?
Yes, cause if 45 is in fact correct. I'll stand corrected and ponder why mine don't do 45..
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No one expected you to back up what you say. I just wanted everyone to witness how scared you are.
P.Elf is correct it takes one minute to copy your character instead you rather troll on the forums ALL day.
Sorry bud, if you wish to continue, Pm or icq me.... Otherwise we would have set something up when you asked for my ICQ#, but you never ICQ'd me. and you say "I just wanted everyone to witness how scared you are.No one expected you to back up what you say. I just wanted everyone to witness how scared you are.
P.Elf is correct it takes one minute to copy your character instead you rather troll on the forums ALL day.
", good one.dat troll tho...my icq is in my signature genius....
No one expected you to back up what you say. I just wanted everyone to witness how scared you are.
Why do you bring up icq when you already let us all know you are NOT willing to transfer to test center which takes 60 seconds...not even a good trollSorry bud, if you wish to continue, Pm or icq me.... Otherwise we would have set something up when you asked for my ICQ#, but you never ICQ'd me. and you say "I just wanted everyone to witness how scared you are.
dat troll tho...
one guys understand pvp
true corpse proff always be a stupid things,corpse Skin shouldn't need "focused necromancy" to reduce max resists. It should reduce the max resists regardless. Requiring "focused necromancy" does nothing but makes corpse skin useless for Necro Mages. Without reducing the maximum resists, the spell is useless, considering everyone has 90's+ of every resist now a days; and this is one of several reasons that Necro Mages are useless in field pvp.
Yeah, UO isn't broken.
Not to be a call you a list or anything like that, but he wasn't even cursed in that little .gif. Only corpsed and omened. That's more of an archer problem than a focused necro problem..
Archery hits entirely too hard/fast (best DPS in game) and has the best specials to top it off. Adding to this, the ability to hit at range, with double hit spells, and have a special to hit while moving/running.
Enhance all that with evil omen & corpse skin (focused), that is a recipe for disaster. Curse and stacking isn't even needed.
Edit: Typed this while you were answering also lol.
Archery hits entirely too hard/fast (best DPS in game) and has the best specials to top it off. Adding to this, the ability to hit at range, with double hit spells, and have a special to hit while moving/running.
Enhance all that with evil omen & corpse skin (focused), that is a recipe for disaster. Curse and stacking isn't even needed.
Edit: Typed this while you were answering also lol.
Contact me and I'll gladly fix this game with the help of pvpers. I'll even do it for free.
Yeah, UO isn't broken.
For the record you got poison striked for the first dmg of that hit, so the conc was probably around 75-80 damage with the omen, i cant slow it down enough to see exactly
If I was cursed for this and my fire/poison dropped to 45 I would've been insta-killed by a conc blow poison strike. I don't care that it's a hit and a spell instead of only a hit, you shouldn't be able to die to two specs/spells with 150 hp... lol
Ignorant people are complaining about alchemy being "too op" it kills "too quick" but no one fkn asked you to stand in max damage conflags lol. However you cannot avoid this damage unless you're consistently spammed with cleansings. Let's be honest, it's broken.
Look at the gif. I was omened by the archer, poison striked by Mike. That's two people. The archer corpsed as well. Let's just put in gats and sniper-rifles in UO as well if we don't care what direction the pvp goes in anymore. I'd love a dark void beretta.
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Futhermore, you're missing the point they did not insta kill you. You are ALIVE, if you were cursed you would of insta died no doubt, with just that two casts and that would of required another player or you to hang around on screen a little too long again
Are you dense? Try to pay attention and keep your eyes on my buff bar where I'm corpsed the whole time as I passed the east bridge (from him). He then casted an omen, (fast spell, 2/6...) and conc'd me while the mage held a poison strike. That's two people. That cuts your "fair play dur dur 4 people!" clause in half. It also doesn't require a third player to curse me, there have been tons of archers that run curse scrolls with omen/corpse. If you actually think there's nothing wrong with this, I don't know what to tell you. The point isn't that a group couldn't execute that. It's a problem when 1-2 people can instantly kill you. I could've died if A. I was cursed, B. I got supernova'd, C. He switched to moving shot me, etc..
40 (poison strike)
11 (velocity)
11 (lightening)
15 (concussion)
61 (xbow hit)
138 total damage from two people, the 40 came from one guy, the remaining 98 came from the other guy.
Poison strike obviously wasn't from the archer. It was just a pretty well-timed sync... there was a blade trap in there too it hit just before the players did.
If Curse had been used in addition to Corpse+Omen (it was only corpse+omen), it would have been an insta-kill. the problem is Ranged weapons hit just as hard if not Harder than melee weapons & are much easier to attempt an attack, due to range.
Don't forget the 47 damage moving shot that could've hit me on top of me being corpsed which probably would've made it hit me for 60.
The damage burst in that video is ridiculous by any standard.
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